#41

Your post was pure Victim Shaming 101.

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#42

Just sounds like horrendous victim blaming to me. And your DiS CID stuff is likewise completely what the fuck?

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#43

I think you’re going to have to link directly to the posts in this thread aren’t ‘just that’ on this thread.

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#44

I do apologise if it appeared that way but it really was not meant to be like that. My thoughts on that situation were probably better reflected my other post on that thread.

#45

what does CiD stand for?

#46

I assume he meant as in police ‘Criminal Investigation Division’?

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#47

ah ok

#48

Please don’t do this, really not a nice thing to be accused of.

#49

Best thing to do is to look at your post on the Matt Mondanile thread and do a bit of research around why that might be considered victim shaming.

I also feel like you should clarify the CiD thing

People are not personally attacking you here, but criticising things you have said.

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#50

Yes @Huggy_Bear I’m not doing anything, I’m asking you to either clarify what you think is the problem with this thread or acknowledge a mistake or something. Your two posts in here don’t really make sense. I have read your initial post in the Ducktails thread and I also note you’re not making any negative posts about Alice Glass in this thread either, which makes it all the harder to understand what you’re getting at with the sigh and CiD reference.

#51

I haven’t got a problem with the thread, but linking her suffering to re-examining CC song lyrics, analysing his statement after she left and the vibes that are given from him. He should absolutely be condemned but I’m just not sure retrospectively breaking down these things are helpful from those who don’t know her.

Linking a question I asked on another thread I think is unfair, at no point had I asked victims to come forward but those around him
 and to suggest I’m a horrendous victim blamer is out of order, feeling pretty depressed about this tbh.

#52

Okay, so regarding your first point; I think it is important to re evaluate all our own perspectives. For me, it’s an important process to look at something with hindsight to perhaps see what could be done in future to prevent re occurrence. I don’t think anyone is trying to question or analyse what has been said by Alice
but rather make sense of their own experiences (this is particularly understandable for those who have had experience with abuse).

Secondly
you did say his ex-girlfriend should’ve come forward. Even if she hadn’t come out recently to say how it had affected her
it’s just not her responsibility to report this. It’s his responsibility to stop doing it.

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#53

As someone mentioning lyrics i was merely acknowledging how creepy that stuff is in retrospect. Kind of ironic that you’re interpreting comments a certain way and simultaneously getting upset at how your (much more dodgy) comment is being taken.

#54

because it was fucking weird at the time and now seems very in line with what has come to light.

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#55

I totally agree with this absolutely, if there is any way discussion can prevent any way of re-occurence, that is incredibly important to any situation like this.

#56

Yes so, I would see things like discussion of lyrics, looking back on the statement from Kath etc. as a way of us doing this is some sort of way. Equally, it may just be a part of processing the events. So the CiD comment was unnecessary.

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#57

So as a form of prevention are you suggesting people should perhaps look at lyrics from other artists in a similar way and see if there are any causes for concern? This is just a question and not intended to be provoking.

#58

I think there is a legitimate argument to say that if lyrics do make you uncomfortable/seem a bit suspect
then you should absolutely question whether you are okay with giving such an artist your support. Obviously I wouldn’t advocate making accusations based on lyrics
but no one here is doing that.

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#59

without re-reading the thread i’m not sure anyone’s suggesting we should make an assumption from lyrics in future. just that some of their old lyrics now jump out at us as alluding to things we’d never realised were based in reality.

EDIT: oh it was suggested in the post you were replying to, but before that i mean.

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#60

I think perhaps that idea, as you’ve touched upon, was taken from me saying we should look at things with hindsight to prevent re-occurrence. I guess that could be taken directly, but I meant it more as a means of us all being more aware of this kind of discourse around us
rather than saying we can find some more sexual criminals based on dodgy lyrics.

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