This one didn’t get the “disguise” memo:

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Really enjoyed the vagueness of “They are too alien”

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I like the idea of alien life that is so alien that we wouldn’t necessarily recognise it as life in the way the we currently define it. Did a module on astrobiology and prebiotic chemistry and stuff at uni and it was really interesting. Kind of wish I hadn’t been drinking so heavily at the time and didn’t miss loads of lectures due to hangovers.

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Robots built by aliens are:

  • Robots
  • Aliens

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This is the first thing to ever make me want to watch Star Trek

Have you read the three body problem trilogy?

No, just about it, really need to get round to it.

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It gets mixed feedback amond the DiS sci-fi-ers. I love it, and it does some really wacky stuff with that theory in parts 2 and 3.

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Not a fan of the Dark Forest Theory.
It’s based on quite basic game theory applied to some super advanced and presumably super intelligent alien species.
Also, cooperation is a cornerstone of human advancement, so you might expect the same from some alien friends. We must have something they want, like kinder bueno or something. Or they should at least enslave us or something.
And it’s based on a sci-fi book

always think its funny that a species capable of travelling to earth from another planet undetected would get caught just flying around, usually over military bases.

Unless they just don’t give a shit about being caught cos they know we can do fuck all

All of those absolute dweebs who think they can use simplistic propositional logic, as delivered in a 15 minute TED talk, to anticipate the culture and values of entire alien species are proper knobs.

All that stuff would be laughable if it didn’t directly cause a load of American billionaires to act like even bigger dickheads because they all believe they’re living in a simulation.

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do you reckon some have assumed the forms of our existing cars and lorries in order to fit in to our society, or do you reckon ALL cars and lorries are actually aliens?

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Makes sense though, the military are the only ones looking up. The military and @Scout.

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No, not all cars are aliens. The alien cars are fairly easy to spot though-
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ALLOYS!

Just as the alien crystal is highly dependent on light (or whatever it was they dimmed), we are massively dependent on water and oxygen. Would be pretty easy to fuck us up by getting rid of either (if non-trivial).

Think the idea that civilisations millions of light years apart would want to fuck each other up is a bit overplayed I think. They’re no threat to each other, so why bother? Even the most aggressive human nation-states don’t suddenly decide to go and kill the entire population of Bhutan or wherever, because it’s miles away and pointless. Why expend the energy?

And if it’s natural resources you’re after there’s likely to be plenty in regions of space that aren’t occupied by other life forms.

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I forgot to answer this.

I think at the extreme end it could be difficult to conceptualise something that’s so different from what we call life and yet is still a lifeform. At the minimal end, though… what is life? (baby don’t hurt me) Is a virus alive? One definition would say no, because it can’t replicate itself without a host. But why does that have to be the definition? And if the definition is the ability to self-replicate, you can design some extremely minimal chemical systems that can self-replicate, so are those more like life than a virus? I have no idea.

The carbon thing I’m actually more or less onboard with. I don’t think it’s anthropocentric logic so much as it’s chemical reality; the periodic table is what the universe has to work with and there aren’t very many options for elements that can form complex molecules. We’re carbon based not just because of relative abundance of C, H, N, O, P, S etc but because those are the elements that are capable of forming different bonds and hence the kind of structures that can form templates of themselves for replication.

The old classic was “hey what about silicon-based life, that’s just one down the periodic table from carbon”, but silicon atoms are just too big to form multiple bonds in the way that carbon does. I wonder if anyone’s thought about life based on the kind of complex shapes that silicon/aluminium/oxygen complexes form - big cage structures and stuff.

The other chemical limitation is the water thing -why do we look for planets that can have liquid water? It comes back to the idea that anything we would recognise as life would involve self-replicating chemicals. That means liquid-phase chemistry, almost certainly. It also probably means catalysis. The list of possible substances that meets those requirements is really small - water and ammonia are the most likely for boring chemical reasons. Liquid hydrocarbons like on some moons of Saturn/Jupiter are possible but maybe less likely because they don’t have the same kind of chemistry as water and ammonia.

But I do think you’re absolutely right that we need to be really careful to avoid anthropocentric logic with these things. It’s kind of the same as viewing history through a European viewpoint, but massively magnified.

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yeah we didn’t ask for a fucking science lesson, mate.

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That’s it, you’re getting double homework.

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