Am I being left open to a proper good fucking here?

eggs

#1

Haha tricked you into a very boring employment law thread didn’t I! No wait! Come back.

I have a fixed term contract that is due to expire soon and was expecting to be given a new contract to sign. I have also requested a change to my working hours as part of this contract renewal.

I have received a letter which is ostensibly all about my working hours request being acccepted - the subject line is “flexible working”, then a whole page letter about that subject. THEN at the end of the letter it says:

"Following confirmation of XXXX I can confirm that your position as XXXX has been confirmed on a permanent basis.

All other terms and conditions remain the same."

I’ve been told by email that this equates to a new contract. I haven’t signed anything. Is this a new contract?

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#2

How long have you been working for the company?


#3

just under 12 months


#4

Er, pass then. Though I don’t think that you’ve been screwed over and I think you only have to sign something if it’s likely to potentially worsen your situation.


#5

If that happens in our work there are normally two copies of the permanent contract enclosed with the letter (one to be kept by you, the other to be signed and returned to the company).


#6

Sign it with a big ‘X’ and then if you get a proper good fucking here you can claim you never signed it properly. I believe that’s called a ‘loophole’ taps nose


#7

Think the contract isn’t just the bit of paper you sign but all agreed working conditions, so like if you have flexible working and they suddenly referred to that bit of paper to take it away that would be considered a change of contract that they would have to go through the proper process. A little different if you haven’t started the new flexibility yet but imagine that email you have would be considered part of your terms in the same way


#8

Get the gas and air lad cos they’re having your adenoids out good and proper here


#9

So, there’s a page in the letter saying you can have flexible working but then the line at the end say’s nothing is changing? That right?

Maybe the ‘All other terms and conditions remain the same.’ bit is just a bit of copy/paste from a template? I’d just clarify it with your manager.


#10

What kind of hours are you changing to if you don’t mind me asking?


#11

No I’m taking that to mean all terms and conditions other than the flexible working and the permanency remain the same


#12

I do not. Going from 35 per week over Monday-Fri to 28 per week Tue-Fri


#13

yeah that’s what I think too. and what they have just advised. feel a bit uneasy about it tho.


#14

Nice, I’d like to do that myself but can’t until work start paying me more.


#15

Maybe ask them to put in a line referring to the agreed flexibility, couldn’t hurt


#16

oh right hang on. think my phrasing of the OP has made this a confusing query. I’m not worried about the flexible working being taken away, I’m worried about my permanent contract not actually existing outside this bit of paper.

as per reply to @NickDS the “all other terms and conditions” bit comes after stuff about flexible working and the role now being permanent.


#17

yes this is an issue. I get paid quite poorly for what I actually do to be honest, but the Mrs is on £££


#18

I think if you’re worried about something not existing outside a piece of paper then you’ll be a nervous wreck when you realise money isn’t real. Life isn’t real. Love isn’t real. Friendship isn’t real. Family isn’t real.

Everything’s made up and meaningless, is my point.


#19

this bit of paper. If I write back stating that my salary has increased to £55k is that legally binding on them?


#20

Absolutely!