#62

That’s a fight I’m not getting into.

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#63

It’s always back to Hitler isn’t it?

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#64

thanks! (and sorry for needlessly dragging you into this, dingers!) Patient Zero is a great way of describing Suede’s relevance to the discussion.

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#65

I’m not remotely attracted by New York. I mean, all the streets are laid out in a grid. Doesn’t that say everything? In Britain, it takes this convoluted, arcane knowledge to get from one bus-stop to the next.

Hahahahahahaha

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#66

Pulp are almost a literal example. Being part of that scene pretty much destroyed them - This Is Hardcore is the aftermath / deliberate career suicide response to the horror of it all. I love it (and like a lot of We Love Life too), but they really had no way forward except to disband.

Edit - not saying that there wasn’t more to them at all, just that becoming synonymous with the scene painted them into a very bleak corner.

#67

I read Kerrang rather than NME until around 1998, and they used to call bands like Kula Shaker, Reef and Terrorvision ‘Britrock’. Not sure if that got any traction beyond their readership, though.

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#68

Mmm maybe

But in Pulp’s case I think it was more the rigours of suddenly being famous & thrust into the spotlight & too much drugs that destroyed them rather than their association with Britpop, Britpop going stale and no one being interested in Pulp anymore

Then again, taking my cue from @pervo one might argue that Jarvis Cocker was the ‘patient zero’ of The North

(Though Morrissey, Gedge, MES or even Paul
Heaton might also candidates)

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#69

Lush were a dream-pop/shoegaze band who made one Britpop-like album, of which only the singles were really Britpop, on 4AD who were not terribly synonymous with Britpop at all. Miki also said they’d never make an album like Lovelife again. She was right, but for the worst possible reason.

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#70

Sort of similar to Babybird - the big hit single You’re Gorgeous and album Ugly Beautiful, was then followed by a very dark and twisted album, There’s Something Going On. (Which ended up being my favourite Babybird album, like This Is Hardcore is my favourite Pulp album.)
Although Babybird/Stephen Jones has continued in various forms, but a lot more unsuccessful in sales terms.

#71

Starsailor - The New Acoustic Movement or whatever the fuck NME decided to call that genre. I literally can’t remember the names of any of the other bands that got lumped in, but I don’t remember Starsailor doing much after that.

Wikipedia tells me that their second album was a relative hit and the third did alright. But In my eyes, they are definitely a relic of that time.

Also I knew about this before, but it’s amusing to think that the Stuart Price / Les Rhythemes Digitales / Thin White Duke (I think it was under his Thin White Duke allias. It was definitely during his golden few years ) remix of Four to the Floor was a number one hit in France.

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#72

Ah, ‘There’s Something Going On’ came out around the same time as This is Hardcore, from I remember. That Babybird album is great, I still listen to it. I always find it funny that Bad Old Man was released as the first single, when If You’ll Be Mine and Back Together were waiting in the wings. It’s almost like the opposite of label interference

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#73

Badly Drawn Boy
Turin Brakes maybe?

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#74

Badly Drawn Boy! Good shout for the ‘artists people got over quickly’ thread. I’ve honestly not thought about him in a decade, and that’s despite regularly looking over the ‘artists nominated for the mercury music prize’ wikipedia page. He won it!

#75

Yeah fair point. The fact that Jarvis never seems to have stopped being in the public eye confused me

#76

Suede released nothing good or successful after 96 so it’s fair to say that even if you wrongly call them Britpop they were destroyed by it.

#77

I met Badly Drawn Boy at a festival once, in the queue for chips. He asked us if we were going to go see him later and we said that we were. We weren’t.

I loved the debut album at the time, and Silent Sigh was a banger. 3/5.

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#78

He’s still there. Waiting for you.

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#79

…until they reformed and became one of the best adverts for a successful reformation going, delighting fans and entirely rehabilitating their standing with critics, The Blue Hour was really great!

I don’t think Britpop killed Suede anyway, a fatally awful album 5 years after Britpop died is what did for 'em.

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#80

Certainly a good Suede album for the fans. Just sounded like an attempt to do Dog Man Star all over again to me.

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