And yet, there’s still some lovely stuff on that album.

Kozelek is probably a had, lost, found, lost again.

Don’t mind April but most of his stuff after Ghosts was a dropoff. Benji is great, most of the stuff after is unlistenable

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Think the first Sabbath album is comfortably the worst of their classic run, too much bloooze boredom. The next three are all titanic

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We need the Sabbath HGATR

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My go-to answer for this is Thrice.

I had a lot to say about this:

Summary

One of the most influential post-hardcore bands of the 2003 “major labels signing any punk band with screaming” phase and had a massive hit with The Artist In The Ambulance album.

Then, while sweep-fringe MySpace screamo was still very much in vogue, they put as much distance as possible between themselves and the genre that spawned them with Vheissu. It’s considered a classic now but at the time represented the end of their major-label career.

They lost a lot of people with their next move, a double album (or 4 EPs, depending on how you look at it) based around the elements, with each element having a distinctive sound. One of those albums that’s generated more band names than it has actual hits.

Following that, they sort of coasted on their reputation as the screamo Radiohead, putting out 2 self-produced albums but not making any massive strides forward or backwards, just kinda staying-put. By this point, with families and a dwindling fanbase, the inevitable hiatus came in 2012.

They returned in 2015, riding roughly the same nostalgia wave as Refused (with whom they would subsequently tour - more on that shortly). 2016’s To Be Everywhere Is To Be Nowhere, arguably the best album they’d ever released. And they had the biggest radio hit of their career with ‘Black Honey’. By the time they made it back to London they were headlining The Forum, and people were singing along to a set made up of almost 50% new material.

2018’s Palms wasn’t as catchy or as radio-ready but was better still. And the ‘comeback’ angle - and the hit singles, obviously - garnered them coverage they’d never have received if they hadn’t had that hiatus. The other key factor in their comeback was the decision to start working with a producer again; Thrice are a musically prodigious but artistically pretentious band who operate best with an outsider pointing out when to cut the crap and play a damn chorus.

The fact that their 2019 “co-headline” tour with Refused essentially became Refused supporting them in all but name speaks to the way the two bands’ respective fanbases have received the material they’ve released since coming back. And also possibly to a minor generation gap between the two. I know a lot of people who went for one band and not the other; one of those bills which made more sense on paper than in practice.

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aah see the reason the first is my favourite is that it’s so bluesy

to me, it’s the borderline between the blues rock that all the other classic rock bands were making and the heavy metal that we know and love today

Led Zep took many aspects of the blues and then pushed them about as far as they could go (to the point of it being fairly ridiculous)

the first Sabbath album is the sound of a blues band pushing things so far it distorts into something that’s totally new

anyway I have an interview tomorrow so Sabbath HGATR had better not be earlier than Wednesday :smiley:

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great post, cheers

they’ve never really clicked for me despite being a big name in a scene I love but I think I’ve only listened to a few songs

will check out their various phases this week!

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Glad to be of service :slight_smile:

They’re one of those bands where you’ll be hard pushed to find fan consensus on their best album, or even their best song. Makes for an inconsistent live show (they’re always on top form, but the setlists can be all over the place as they try to please everyone) but if you listen to, say, The Artist In The Ambulance and write it off as “of-its-time” screamo (which wouldn’t be an unreasonable conclusion) then you don’t have to look further into the future for something completely different.

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Excellent post. Nice to see such a deep dive of Thrice. They are genuinely a special band, reaching outside screamo and being so successful in so many of their experiments. I even think Beggars, which they released quite late in their career and has pretty much no screamo elements, is my absolute favourite of theirs, because the songwriting and lyrics are phenomenal.

Do you think they had periods of producing good material, then bad material, and then good material though? I think the quality of their material, since The Artist in the Ambulance at least, has been consistently and commendably high.

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I do. I found the alchemy index borderline-unlistenable at the time. I’m definitely overdue a reappraisal of those albums, but they’re always the low spots of the live set for me.

Beggars has some of their best songs, but for me the 2 most recent albums are the best of their career.

I do wish they were a more interesting band to cover, from a journalistic standpoint. I’ve had the pleasure of chatting to them a couple of times and unless you want to go in-depth on the muso side, there’s really very little to pull on there. 4 nice guys who are very good at their instruments, writing criminally underrated songs.

I interviewed them on the To Be Everywhere cycle and trying to get insights out of them was like trying to get blood from a stone. I think that’s really played against them historically. They’re not a “fun” band to cover.

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Gets tricky judging this once an artist has had a long career with ups and downs or maybe albums where your personal opinion doesn’t chime with general critical consensus.

Noticed The Flaming Lips have announced a new album - early stuff is all over the place, had a brilliant run then lost it with Mystics, regained with Embryonic, then generally lost again with side projects and Oczy (which I don’t actually think is terrible, just terrible in parts). But I don’t know maybe the sheer mess of the discography is all part of it anyway.

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Wire. I love the classic first three but got very lost in their 80s output. I have enjoyed their last few records a lot though.

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Interpol. Started strong, faded and I think el pintor is good again. Personally I didn’t really dig marauder but I think that it was well thought of.

I’m not sure Underworld releasing one shit album (barking) means they completely lost it. Given its a collaboration album as well. I think they’ve been pretty consistent across their career tbh.

I would definitely hold up Wire’s later records up to their earlier and (rightly) well-regarded stuff.

It’s completely different (to their credit), but still experimental and furious.

What a band.

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Weezer had it, had it, kinda had it, kinda had it, lost it, kinda had it, vapourised it, lost the vapour, recrystalised it for a lesser yield, had it again, lost it again -->

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American Football from LP 1 to LP 2 to LP 3

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Great shout, love LP3 so much

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Simplified it for ya

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I’m praying that Placebo find it again. We should know soon enough :grimacing: :crossed_fingers: