August 2018 Politics Thread

That’s a bad thing though. It’s like when people talk about proportional representation, it’s like… You know coalitions just lock in the status quo. Which would be fine if the status quo wasn’t shit.

i have a lot of time for MZC, seems like a genuinely nice bloke.

Yeah depends what you want. I mean I can see PR working pretty well in the UK as a means of nobbling the excesses of the Tories, but you’re not going to get an advancement towards socialism out of it.

Yeah I like him a lot. Strip back him being mouthy on twitter, of course. Think he’s got pretty strong ambitions to be an MP one day and I think he’d be excellent if he did it.

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I’ve seen plenty of leftist discussions of Chavezism, where it went wrong and what we can learn from it. It’s just that it’s very much become a kind of Labour Anti-semitism of the globe; you can’t bring up a socialist argument to anything without some turd saying 'Ah but, VENEZEULA! Check and mate." No matter the number of failed states out there that adhered to the capitalist world order; no matter the American economic blockade of the country, no matter the businesses fixing prices in order to try and force a coup. No, it was the mere act of enacting some socialist policies that caused that country to necessarily suffer.

Of course we should talk about it, if only so we are able to debunk the myths surrounding the place. But it’s worthless engaging with the kind of person who’d bring it up apropos nothing in discussion.

I don’t disagree - it’s complicated. And my initial point about about Naomi Klein. Maybe I’m remembering it wrong but about 12 years ago when Klein was seemingly at her most visible she was very vocal in support of the Chavez revolution. Fair enough. It hasn’t turned out the way that she envisaged it and I consider it (perhaps unfairly) incumbent upon her, as someone with a huge following, to explain why. The fact that she seems to have shirked from that opportunity makes me think, at best, that she doesn’t actually have the analytical or intellectual prowess to do so. Which is kinda what I’d suspect. But maybe I’m unnecessarily hung up on this particular grievance.

I think I might be more of him now than I was when he was leader

technically, some of his former molecules may now indeed be part of you.

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I’m just there to see Jeremy Corbyn blow the roof off.

‘interesting’ how eg, that second one, they’ve clearly just seen the word the word crank and completely misinterpreted their point

bastani trigger warning but this video is lovely, and the comrade is a leeds lass :hugs:

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oh god

The Jewish community rightly feels that the Macpherson principle that victims of racism should have the right to define what they perceive to be racist, seems not to apply to Jews and antisemitism in the Labour party.

when the stated purpose of the macpherson principle has been explained time and again and people still keep misunderstanding it in articles like this, the old patience starts to wear thin tbh.

This thread (and account) is meant to reflect negatively on Corbyn, but ends up being self-own. It’s the Labour party establishment of the time and the police who look like they were on the wrong side of history here

https://twitter.com/TimesCorbyn/status/1027268311728508928

I’ve long since given up thinking that it’s a genuine misunderstanding, tbh.

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oh sure

haha what a fucking idiot

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It turns out he was an organiser and attendee of the “Battle of Wood Green” in support of the Jewish community against the NF in 1977. Shocking!

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I think his brother was involved in some way too. SCUM!

You want to hear… MORE from Ken Livingstone?

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A reminder to us all, to be very careful what one wishes for.

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What an absolute legend that woman is.

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