#2684

Down to the exact number, sure. But just going off real life experience, hell even people within my own family & have already lost jobs through industry fleeing Wales now they know they won’t be getting EU grants, that sentiment is very very loud. I’m not even saying all Brexiters, maybe not even half - but we’re certainly talking a sizeable enough percentage that it’d be hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions.

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#2685

coded messages eh. who funds you. talk dammit.

#2686

That’s not what I was taking issue with though - how does it provide “a way forward to a better system of participatory democracy in the long run if it’s seen as a true indicator of public sentiment” if those opposed can just point at a bigger number and the few people with the power that matter are willing to shrug their shoulders and say ‘yeah, that number is bigger and more legitimate’?

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#2687

All this has broken me/awoken me to the point that I don’t know anything beyond my own personal experience which is that there are too many racists and people who will hide behind racism and sexism as some kind of regressive form of masculinity but if I’m truly honest it’s still been a very loud minority of the people I’ve had to interact with through work/daily life. This will vary in other places I’m sure just I don’t know what I can really know from the twittersphere etc.

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#2688

The mandate exists. Fully solid. :point_up: That’s obviously designed to punt things beyond the 2021 Holyrood election.

Just another version of May’s “Now is not the time”. That sort of carry-on may well buy some time, but it will be to their detriment.

McDonnell knows the score. :point_left: I seem to be saying that with increasing regularity (but I’m aware he’s party of the multi-messaging tactic, so :face_with_raised_eyebrow:).

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#2689

Oh, yeah, I agree with this.

If, at the beginning, every MP had been shown these charts and asked to mark on where they would like the UK to be, and what else they would vote to endorse, then we’d not be in this situation, and we’d have a Tory party that split itself in two.

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#2690

I will always remember the day after the Brexit vote I was on the bus in Wales and two old biddies saw a homeless guy and commented “he’ll be able to get a job now”

It’s that sort of xenophobia that is invisible to a lot of Brexiters

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#2691

I have to try and believe for some people this is just a kind of angry bitterness and lashing out at the world manifesting that can change.

I remember growing up quite a few people would say stuff to me like “that guy busking/begging for change over there at the end of the day gets into a nice car and drives off!” I bet that wasn’t true in the slightest but people try to convince themselves of this stuff to soften their conscience

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#2692

There’s all this suggestion there of her maybe stopping Churchill though. I mean it’s all fantasy but it’s designed to make people think that in this sort of situation she would defy the terrible PM…

#2693

short answer; data is valuable - a binary referendum gives a paucity of data about exactly how to proceed - which is exactly why we’re in this shit. The more people use available technology to register their opposition/support to specifics the clearer picture we have of how we can build a more inclusive & participatory democracy.

There wasn’t a referendum about prorogueing Parliament. 1.3million people in less than 24hours have voiced their opposition to suspending Parliamentary democracy.

The revoke A50 petition gained 6 million signatures in a week and was wafted away with a cursory non-debate.

The more these things are a matter of public record the more we’re able to scrutinise the current constitutional representative democracy and find it disatisfactory that a paucity of data gets to be interpreted by…

…especially when we have an entire global infrastructure built for collecting detailed data and pretty much anyone can input & participate

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#2694

Ruth Davidson GONE

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#2695

Children’s author Pullman getting involved

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#2696

snookered

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#2697

The man killed god in his books, prime ministers are nothing to him

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#2698

Enjoying the sensibles losing their minds underneath

Although I gotta say stuff like that (wishing violent deaths in detail etc) makes me mega uncomfortable :grimacing:

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#2699

With all due respect sir, I am a big fan, and I understand tensions are high, and we need your voice here on Twitter sir, but…

This fucking owns :sunglasses:

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#2700

If I could go back in time I’d cuddle baby Hitler

#2701

Fair dos. I have less faith than you that it’ll ever be any use to anyone but historians, but I hope I’m wrong.

FWIW, I signed it, because it’s the least I can do, obviously, I just despair at the fact I don’t believe it or anything else I can do will have the slightest effect.

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#2702

I don’t even see it like a threat, more a “we know what happened to Mussolini and who does Boris remind you of?”

#2703

Even at the march these fellas behind me were like “boris doesn’t even care that we’re doing this lol”

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