#192

Focusing on air travel alone seems odd though. Transportation as a whole accounts for 14% of global CO2 emissions (2014 figures). The internet creates approximately the same percentage of emissions as air travel (2%) and I don’t see anyone being criticised for excessive internet use (safety wink).

There are loads of things that can be done to fix this, each with differing amounts of impact. Blaming individuals for not making enough sacrifices is probably less effective that campaigning for changes to (for example) agricultural and industrial practices at a structural or national level.

I’m not saying this stuff is unimportant. Far from it. But I think picking on lifestyle choices is only a small part of the story.

[2014 emissions breakdown from IPCC]

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#193

Yeah I’m not saying that some of that isn’t a good thing (I still think people should be encouraged to see as much of the world as possible) but it doesn’t really go through my head alongside ‘christ I’d love to fuck off to Italy or Florida or wherever for a bit’.

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#195

I’m quite happy to say that car travel is bad too, I should look to restrict the time that I have electricity in my life as well, maybe if I spent more time in bed asleep then I’m consuming less stuff and also don’t need devices? We should all be encouraged to sleep more

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#196

Ban

  • Sunday evening dread
  • Monday morning work

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#197

had a really vivid and interesting dream last night, all out of my own head. Don’t really need that much stimulation to create entertainment

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#198

Massively Tory aim you’re advocating there.

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#199

not if you knew my plan for how the economy would be structured

#200

Ban this place, ban it to the ground.

  • Drowned in Nonsense
  • Drowned in Makes Sense

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#202

I promised myself that I wouldn’t get involved in this thread, but rest assured, just as soon as my privately scheduled return flight from the annual Tyre Burning Championships lands, I shall be issuing my two pence.

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#204

People on twitter seem quite silly sometimes

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#206

I believe things like trying to avoid flying / driving on a personal level do make sense as the chart for an individual will look very different (a single long haul family holiday would totally skew it). And at that level it’s (imo) not entirely about stopping climate change but about not being someone who contributes to the problem. (I know it’s not quite that simple)

But if all the noise is about what we can do as individuals without addressing the system which encourages consumption and waste then we aren’t going to get far.

Some days I feel incredibly bleak about this because our entire way of life in this country is only possible within the current system by leeching on large parts of the rest of the world and whether or not we take a flight or two is meaningless and who would I be to tell someone else they can’t do something like that because it seems even the most ascetic person in the UK is still a huge part of the consumption problem compared to the rest of the world.

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#207

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#209

think that makes me lisa

#210

They’re so cute though, Ant. And it’ll be fine, we just need to introduce Pine Martens and the red squirrels will be cushty.

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#211

Saying that something is ‘surreal’ when you mean something minor was not quite what you expected.

  • Ban
  • Keep
  • Fish

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#212

Couple that up with “random” and you’ve got yourself a ban vote, my friend.

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#213

Brexit creatures

#214

I think that about old people, do I get points?

soz missed this thread yesterday, but I agree that failing to analyse your own attitude towards flying on a plane for a holiday regularly is a pretty Tory thing to (not) do.

I went to Italy this year, and Japan the year before, so I’m aware I’m a massive hypocrite, but yeah I don’t think I can justify flying on a plane in the next two years, at least.

#216

Yeah exactly, and part of accepting that is acknowledging our own privilege and being self-aware about it, which is part of what that Tory joke is!

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#217

Again, I don’t have a problem with either of those statements, and they’re not what you said.

What ideological extreme?

This is strawmanning