BBC News Observation

[the_ravens]

I don’t think the main thrust of people on here’s issue with the beeb or guardian is to do with them being holier than thou as such. Its more to do with what @FKA_Adam_Jeffson says.

[Biloian]

I thought I’d read it as they’d restarted the process because he didn’t get the job, with the hope he does get it on a second attempt. That was probably in the Guardian.

[the_ravens]

I don’t think it needs to be called Fuck the BBC News to serve the same purpose.

[robespierre]

Yeah might just be me being sensitive but I just don’t think it’s necessary and could be misconstrued as abusive/hostile to journalists when that’s not intended.

[robespierre]

@still_here

Dismantle the BBC monolith and create regional, democratically owned and run public broadcasting networks under the ‘bbc’ umbrella.

change the thread title to this

[TheWza]

@marckee

I don’t think [@sean does work there] now.

(and he wasn’t part of the News section)

Yup. I don’t know how long Sean worked there, but the origins of the thread possibly/probably go back to a time before Sean started there. The relevant info is in the OP, but seeing as old DiS has been stripped bare we’re relying on the wayback machine to be sure.

The thread title was changed, in response to an upthread discussion (see here), to make explicit that this isn’t about the BBC as a whole (where much of the BBCs entertainment output is accused of being too left wing), it’s…

@FKA_Adam_Jeffson

a thread expressing disappointment and anger at the state news broadcaster repeatedly and unabashedly peddling racist, sexist, classist, transphobic, etc. content

and

@hip_young_gunslinger

as an expression of frustration with what is meant to be a better quality news service. When it fails, it’s qualitatively different to the Mail, because no one has expectations for the Mail to be fair or accurate.

The expletive being there because, as noted, in comparison,

@jordan_229

“Guardian” was just something that was said about the more light hearted nonsense they put out and that’s what I made the thread to share originally, but it became more serious

and this was intended from the start to catalogue stuff rather more akin to the Fuck The Police thread than the low-level eyerolling at the Guardian that was going on in that thread in its early days.

DiS convention to date has been that the threads aren’t renamed without checking in with the thread starter first, yeah?

I don’t think the current title is particularly off, for the reasons just explained. But I’m not particularly wedded to it in its exact current format, either. And I acknowledge that there’s room and reason for differentiation between the Police thread and this one. If only because

@Icarus-Smicarus

I don’t have a moral objection to the thread title but I sometimes worry about opening it on my work computer I suppose.

Also it’s already been changed once from simply ‘Fuck the BBC’

So I’ve changed it again. With the notion that it’s in the spirit of the Mass Observation project where ordinary people logged things seen from their perspective, which would later, collectively, prove to be a valuable record.

[funkycow]

Very helpful summary of the thread which avoids the need for TL;DR. Clear what this is aimed at, and why, and the change of thread title (while less rage-y) makes it a little easier to engage with!

I like the sentiment, if not the articulation of this New European article:

Britain is becalmed by apathy: Where is the rage?

[sean]

@TheWza

Yup. I don’t know how long Sean worked there

4 and a half years.

[sean]

I’ve added an F’in as a compromise.

[TheWza]

No thank you. It’s now superfluous. (And did the Rogue One thread teach us nothing?)

[Clang]

So are we saying that intimidation and abuse by an angry mob is somehow indirectly his fault, because that’s what his employer encouraged all this time, or something (many citations needed)? There are loads of other threads here which call out such disgusting behaviour for exactly what it is, and rightly so. I don’t know much about him but he was just man and I don’t want to live in a society where that kind of treatment of journalists is seen as okay. Notable that the lack of police response to such mob rule behaviour didn’t make it to the Fuck The Police thread. The mental gymnastics to hold these various lines simultaneously must be hard work.

[Rodion]

No I think people are saying that the general outcry from the media class is somewhat hard to bear when the media have basically created a fake country that allows the right wing to flourish

[Clang]

I didn’t really see the media outcry, I don’t really like reading that self-serving shit either, I was only reacting to seeing the video and the replies to Sean’s message.

[Rodion]

You should reply to whoever you have an issue with rather than screaming into the void

[Clang]

I’m replying to you. Im not screaming and there’s no void.

[the_ravens]

It is on the fuck the police thread.

[Clang]

I stand corrected, it wasn’t when I last looked.

[wileycat]

@Clang

So are we saying that intimidation and abuse by an angry mob is somehow indirectly his fault

Who is saying that exactly???

I’ve just read through the posts and can’t understand how you would think the consensus is ‘that guy deserved to be harassed’?

As @FKA_Adam_Jeffson mentioned, the ‘fuck the BBC’ was about the BBC platforming hate groups and the far right and significant bias in some reporting / programming. E.g. the whole Panorama series on how the transgenders are corrupting innocent youth that helped to completely mainstream transphobia as a ‘valid’ social view.

[TheWza]

Minor title edit to ‘observation’, because ‘observance’ has connotations of deference, so didn’t really mean what I was going for. Sorry for the faff.

[jordan_229]

Let’s hope Sean doesn’t have any friends who are cops…