placebo’s s/t album is great! but this is an excellent idea

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#everydaysexism

Tool - Aenima (it’s my favourite album of all time)
Slint
Placebo
The National
The Shins

I hope this list gets done for libel and gets knobbed in prison…by MEN

You seem nice

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The “by men” just reminded me of a quote from the thick of it was all

Quoting bits from tv/ films is all I have to offer really

Fair enough, just a misinterpretation on my part. As you were :slightly_smiling_face:

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want 100 more? lol this is getting ridiculous. There’s been like 8 counter lists posted since the og NPR list. this list has some straight up classics tbf:

What do people here make of the idea behind the NPR list in the first place? On the one hand I can see the argument that “women in music” lists promotes the idea of segregating music made by women, creating a separate “canon” which many see as second best to the “real canon” of music written by men.

But as someone who has been looking to redress the relative lack of music by women in my listening from before the 90s I’m finding it (and lists like it) very useful in finding amazing records that I rarely see mentioned elsewhere.

The ideal would be that all “100 greatest” lists and such would naturally have equal representation, thus reinforcing the truth that women are, and always have been, as good at making music. But in the current prejudiced music world with male-dominated lists I don’t think that having these kind of lists (which can highlight wrongly overlooked music to people who might otherwise miss them) are necessarily a bad thing if done with a genuine respect and presented as every bit as equal.

I haven’t read the blurb around NPR’s list so maybe they aren’t doing this at all.

Someone help me here

If the counterargument to their list is that it’s providing a separate canon, their argument is that that’s already the case (one that heavily favors male output), to some degree.

I don’t entirely have a problem with the idea, but it seems like a bulk of the albums listed are well-regarded anyway . I also don’t feel these lists really adequately address whatever the perceived problem is as I feel they try to address the problem from the bottom up when it’s really a top-down thing.

I feel like the first list was a deliberate “let’s intentionally throw in a bunch of great albums with garbage to get people riled up and talking about us” thing, which I guess they’ve successfully done. The Stranger’s lists just seem to be “I personally don’t like this album” by two people who probably haven’t even heard all of what they’re listing and I’m not sure why it exists. (But then again I’m probably biased because I thoroughly hate The Stranger for their horrible, ignorant anti-pitbull propaganda).

Best non-Radiohead album on the original list: 4-way tie between No Code, Boxer, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, and Aenima.

Yeah No Code does not belong on that list. Should’ve been one of PJ’s last 4 albums.

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Do many people really still consider gender when judging how much they like an album? I can’t think of many people i know that do but maybe I;m being naive. It probably did used to be an issue. The one thing I do notice is that female fronted or all female bands have this fact commented upon more than I feel is necessary.

Of my top 5 albums 4 of the bands feature women (MBV, Madder Rose, Slowdive and the Go Betweens) but that’s the first time I’ve thought about it.

Don’t think it’s anything to do with thinking about gender when deciding about how much I like an album on an individual basis. It’s more realising that cultural influences (including these album lists) which favour all-male acts shape the way I discover music, especially music from before I was born, even if I myself am approaching it from an unprejudiced standpoint. Consequently my own listening tastes from pre-2000s are dominated by male acts.

To say “oh I don’t think about gender when I listen to music so there is no problem” is in most cases to ignore that just about every element of the music industry will consciously or unconsciously determine what’s available to you or what’s recommended to you, encouraging you to listen more to male acts (or at least take them more seriously). In all likelihood that will subsequently impact your music tastes unless you are conscious of it and adjust your listening tastes accordingly.

It good that so many of your favourite bands have women in them. i would certainly say that my listening tastes of music from the past two decades is much closer to gender parity than those that preceded them. What I was talking about was using the NPR list to get ideas of where I could find great music made by women in the past in order to try to balance the biased cultural influences that have so far ‘unconsciously’ shaped my listening habits.

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The NPR list has been great already in introducing me to stuff. Spend the last 3 days diving into the music of Emmylou Harris. The opening track on Wrecking Ball is m/l the best song ever created.

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YHF probably. closely followed by the obvious few mentioned above, No Code & Comedown Machine.

but it seems absolutely pointless to be discussing such an attention-seeking article. does it actually accomplish anything?

Gonna have to check that out - thanks!

I’ve found a host of albums from those lists that I have rarely (if ever) heard talked about outside of them. A lot of them older people will say “oh I listened to them, they were given coverage at the time” but if they’re from before I was born or during my infancy chances are I won’t have heard them discussed outside these lists (excluding rare exceptions like Horses, Tapestry, Like a Prayer or something along those lines). Even if a female act released a well-regarded record in the 70s or 80s it seems far less likely to be remembered as a classic or best of decade than comparable albums by men

It successfully transformed what could charitably be viewed as a celebration of women into yet another conversation about men.

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Am I wrong to like Warrant’s Cherry Pie?