#54

Yes definitely see that and I agree to a certain extent, though there’s not really any evidence that she has buried the tweets… and to be honest I can sympathise with the fact that she might have forgotten that she said things 5 years ago (despite these obviously being fucking awful). What does ‘acknowledgement’ mean in this situation? I guess in a way I am wondering what we expect from her now…do we hold her as accountable for these things that she has said at the age of 14 as if it were now? Likely not, right?

(nb I don’t really know the answer to any of this)

#55

(just read colinzeal’s post upthread which sort of answers my question really well so ignore me!)

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#56

Don’t get the ‘burying’ thing tbh. We’re only having this discussion because the tweets were still publicly available on her twitter profile. It’s a proper tricky one. I have no real concept of what level of reaction I’d find appropriate really

#57

sorry I did have one more thing:

reckon people often overlook the amount of personal growth and maturation that happens between 15-30 really. Being an adult doesn’t really mean you’re an adult y’know?

#58

Yeah I don’t think there is any sense in which she has ‘buried’ what she has said, and she has acknowledged that they are horrendous things to say which is admirable and much better than many people in political positions would and have done. But equally I think it’s pretty valid to say she needs to make an effort to show contrition and regain trust before she can be in an accountable public position again.

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#59

If I found out one of my friends said these kind of things when they were a teenager I’d definitely stop being friends with them.

#60

Wouldn’t you judge them also on how they are now?

#61

Not really

#62

what are you trying to say here?

#63

Fair enough. Not for me, but fair enough!

#64

some more ideas from Bam’s head:

. Compassion and empathy should be given to all and a big part of empathy is relating your own experience’s to another’s, they don’t have to be 1 to 1 and you shouldn’t be elevating yourself above someone else if possible.

. Condemning an act and condemning a person are different and we shouldn’t do the latter as it’s fatalistic.

#65

Hm not sure about that 2nd one Bam, ultimately this means nobody is personally accountable or responsible for their actions. You can still forgive people and a ‘bad’ action doesn’t necessarily mean a ‘bad’ person though, for sure.

#66

well personally I don’t think people are nearly as accountable as we like to believe and anyway the only thing that really matters is preventing the act from recurring.

peace x