This is definitely not a sinister front page, no sir
sigh
Think of the boost to ruddy, bloody great British components manufacturers!
read the comments in the thread (or maybe you did)
quite illuminating
Britain is fucked if Brexit goes ahead
totally fucked
I canāt help but wonder what the guy in the the thread thought who tried to make this argument and then got school.
Iām hoping a variant of āOh god what have I doneā
Brexit will go ahead. Thereās no if.
Will Britain be fucked? If thereās no deal at all, yes. Thatās why we - both leave and remain voters - have to hope there will be a deal, even if, inevitably, it will be a lesser deal than the one the UK currently has.
Thanks for this, got me reading this Lean manufacturing - Wikipedia which iād never heard about before and is fascinating
we are so totally fucked
I think the opposite. A catastrophic No Deal being the final option, precipitating the collapse of the government, has always been the only way that a disastrous Brexit can be avoided.
This article feels a bit āLook everyone, lets tut at the idiot, racist, well-done-steak-eating, homophobe leave votersā, but thereās probably something here about why the economic arguments/facts just wonāt sway the core Brexit vote.
It feels more like Brexit as an issue is part of a progressive/conservative culture war which wonāt be resolved by either leaving or staying.
I guess this is what the Express/Mail/Sun and the rest have realised and why they keep pushing those buttons.
Reminds me of this a bit
Yeah some of the connections were important, but things like the steak issue seemed pretty elitist, for want of a better word. Like it should be obvious to all good Guardian readers what the right answer should be
Nah, this will be fake news. Just scaremongering
Yeah. Things like the fact that leavers are more likely to believe that homosexuality is unnatural, that climate change is nonsense, that we should ban the burka, Trump would be a great president - that stuff is actually a really good indicator of why thereās such a gulf between the two sides.
And then they go and undermine it with āyeah, and they donāt even know how to eat a steak - troglodytes eh?ā
Seems to be asking, has Trump popularised well-done steak?
That 23/12% figure is odd, but medium rare is still the most popular, though it would be nice to see the figures (the right answer is rare, however).
Nearly a quarter of leave voters (23%) say they prefer their steaks well done, compared with only 12% of remain voters. The most popular way to cook steak for remain voters is āmedium rareā.
No idea what to do with these people though:
Six percent of both remain and leave voters say ketchup is their favourite sauce to go with a steak.
I think the same thing about all of these articles that treat Leave and Trump voters as zoo exhibits, educational how-do-we-reach-these-apes that are really just excuses for the metropolitan types who read them to gawp. Itās that fucking idiots have always existed in our country. Sure they arenāt quite as outright about their bigotry; their homophobia is now āconcernsā, their wogs and darkies have evolved into proxy issues about immigration and Islam. But thatās because the left fought a relentless culture war against them, positive action which made them grudgingly give up ground.
And that to me is key - itās never been about trying to capture these peopleās votes, about persuading them with rational arguments. Itās about getting as many other people as possible to vote against them. And for that you need to make a positive case for something, rather than define yourself by not being them, an entreaty to authority and the status quo, which is what Clinton and the Remain campaign did. In a world gone as badly to shit as this, that no longer works. They may be horribly fascinating to us, but thereās a limit on how much there is to be gained by putting arseholes underneath the microscope.
So bankers will have free movement after brexit say Davis. Iām pretty sure itās not going to work like thatā¦
same with trump, the fact that heās not actually built a wall or whatever is fine compared to the bigger issue, the fact that you feel the president has validated your bigotry
I think youāve absolutely hit the nail on the head with this. In a way the very existence of the referendum in the first place was significant ground conceded back towards the idiots, and now theyāre pushing for more. It needs to be resisted every step of the way.
Itās a two tier system. The rich and powerful have free movement and everyone else doesnāt.
You make some good points but I believe the capacity for evil or cruelty or narcissism exists in the intelligent and outwardly compassionate as well as the āfucking idiotsā, itās probably in all of us to different degrees.
All of the sexual assault/harassment that has come to the public consciousness recently shows this, I mean werenāt some of these people from bands/scenes that people here would identify with?