#401

Hmm. He’s always been all over the place: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35743994

But his most consistent position in his long time as an MP has been almost virulently anti-EU, along with many of his comrades. Of course it’s very possible he had a damascene conversion at the 11th hour (even if only for party management reasons), but i’m not sure that’s credible. Particularly given that Corbyn’s meant to be the man of unimpeachable principle.

#402

You started it :joy:

#403

It would have damaged his socialist credentials somewhat to be on the Remain party bus palling it up with gammon boy and the other dead men.

#404

So there’s loads of people who are anti brexit but think we should do it for… reasons?

#406

Yeah obviously? My point is that had May not rushed into A50, the UK’s position would have been massively improved all round. Soft Brexit/SM and so on could have been achieved in the situation following the referendum, had May not taken the course she has.

She’s weak now, following the 2017 GE - she was in nowhere near such a state in July 2016 when she became PM. And like I said, putting Brexiteers in the cabinet doesn’t mean letting them run the show.

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#407

And I’m saying there’s no point going over old ground. Ok pal?
:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

#408

I’d like Jeremy Corbyn to be prime minister but he didn’t win therefore he isn’t

Democracy eh!

#410

One just isn’t passive aggressive enough xylo

#412

woah there buddy, citaaaaaaaaaaaaaaation needed

#413

Alright Donald Trump

#414
#415

I’m calling it now: It’s going to go to a vote on the final deal which will get rejected and we’ll end up staying in neoliberal hellworld instead of moving into plutocracy hellworld.

Sorted.

#416

Exactly

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#417

Think I’ve mentioned this before last time this came up, but it’s widely reported that after becoming Labour leader he spoke to left wing leaders around Europe who persuaded him that Lexit was a bad idea.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2016/04/labour-rejects-lexit

#418

Which will be 51-49 again so we need another one in a year or two that will end 51-49 so we will need another one then the world ends so it’s fine

#419

Pretty much. Those reasons include:

  • thinking that just killing Brexit will simply cause the disaffected to revolt in other ways
  • a belief (slowly eroding, in a form of the “will of the people” argument)
  • a wish to just have the whole thing over and done with

I think within 9 months there’ll be a fair majority in favour of a second referendum and/or reversal.

@wewerewerewolvesonce - don’t confuse “access to” with “membership of”. UKIP have always taken the cake and eat it approach - we want all the trade benefits, but without the rule and migration obligations.

#420

isn’t that just a ukip welsh assembly member hopefully saying “oh yeah let’s not screw the farmers” rather than someone senior saying it’s the parties position?

you really think that if Nigel had been asked at any point in the last ten yeras, he’d have said we should stay in the free market?

#421

We have a civil war to sort it out but the UKIP paramilitaries defeat us because we spend all our time posting about Brexit and misplace our guns.

#422
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#423

All those things just ignore what a massive disaster it will be. That’s what I can’t grasp this ‘oh well I guess we have to fuck ourselves’ attitude. Which is why I’d like the opposition to be shouting from the rooftops exactly what effects it’ll have on people.

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