Depends. Filler if you just want to cover it up, tape if you want to do a proper repair job I’d say.

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I hate to go all climber on you but it’s ‘carabiner’ :wink:

what’s the assumed minimum and best deposit amounts these days?

10% minimum and then 20% being about as high as it’s useful to go is what i read a while back?

not expecting to be able to buy any time soon and not wanting to anyway, but new job should allow me to start saving a bit

:joy: i’ll probably be have to be saving for a million decades while then

highly doubt i’ll buy in london (unless i somehow end up in a relationship with a rich woman)

(and now i wait patiently for a “…dinner?” reply)

Just got a call to say the vendors are breaking the chain and planning on moving into rental accommodation to expedite the sale. At this rate we could go from starting looking to moving in in about 2 months…

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Started this nonsense last week. It’s stressful as shit so far. 10/10 would not try to buy again.

22nd June - First viewing.

In between - Fucking hell, this bit is stressful, eh? Went totally smoothly though, cos we obsessed over every detail. It’s the only way.

25th August - Moved in.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been up to. Aye, I missed you loads, too.

Might type up the ruddy gruddy nitty gritty grizzly in-betweeny deets in a later post.

The important bit is that it’s fucking mint. There must be a catch. I keep thinking someone or something is gonna turn up that means we have to move out.

Gonna die here. :v: x

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Did you buy in Glasgow? Tell me all the details - I’ll be doing this next year and I dread having to go through the Scottish system of having a stab in the dark at the price.

Yep. Details? Hmmm… OK…

Viewed a flat. Loved it. Registered a note of interest with the estate agent (and followed this up by choosing a solicitor, pronto, and getting them to reiterate our interest). Arranged a second viewing. Got notified of a closing date for offers. Deliberated and agonised. Made an offer. A hefty offer as high as we could justify cos we defo defo wanted it: it was listed at offers over £189k, home report survey valuation of £200k (all “1s” on the survey, except for the obligatory “2” for the close), offered 227.5k by the high noon deadline. Had to wait until the next morning until hearing that we’d had our offer accepted. FUCK YEAH! BUT ALSO: OH SHIT, we need to sort out the selling of our flat. Bunged 75% of our possessions into storage within a week, did some essential tarting/tidying up, made our best stab at rocking the show flat/minimal vibe. Invited four estate agents round for a chat. Hated the first guy, was fine with the second woman (who was the agent for the place we were buying), enlisted her and cancelled the meetings with other two estate agents. Had the photos took and the home buyers survey done. The listing for ours went online on the Wednesday evening two weeks after our offer on the other place was accepted. Had half a dozen or so viewings lined up for the weekend. Got an offer that was decent on the Monday (£130k - on a £125k survey and offers over £120k - a smidge over the £127k we paid for our flat eleven years ago at the peak of the market just before the übercrash - the resultant circa £50k equity basically funded the 10% mortgage deposit on the new place, the cash required to go over the survey price/mortgage ceiling, stamp duty, and solicitors fees, etc. Tidy.). Didn’t bother setting a closing date and accepted that first offer on the Tuesday. Cancelled the viewings upcoming - you snooze, you lose. Chilled on Wednesday. Did a bunch of stuff the solicitor guided us through throughout the next four weeks or so (including us beasting the solicitor during the last week on a daily basis because Spidey senses were telling me a bunch of stuff should’ve before wrapped up before the final week - things went down to the wire, but it all came together on time, which it might not have had I not pushed for shit to be closed out). The tentative sequence of events on moving day was surreal (get out, hand over old keys, be temporarily rich but homeless, get new keys, unpack shit you packed yesterday, have chips and fizz surrounded by boxageddon).

Scotland: It seems that, in the not too distant past, after the angst of the sealed bids part is over, having an offer accepted was a fairly nailed on sign of a purchase being in the bag, subject to a few formalities. But recently, new legal shiz has crept in that has meant that those formalities have been stretched out and subject to more uncertainty , meaning that the deal is rarely fully done until close to the moving date. Whatever. Rather that than the nonsense that seems to play out dahn south.

Pro tip: triple check everything with everyone as if they (and you) know fuck all. Get them to rust what they’ve just said. It’s the only way.

Other pro tip: if you’re moving more than a car’s worth of stuff, unless you can enlist a free van and an army of bros, getting a removal crew in to do the lifting and shifting is defo the thing to do.

Mortgage: was with Yorkshire Building Society. Stayed with them. Meant we could take advantage of porting, which avoided the early retirement charge. Also, their Offset arrangement has worked very well for us. Might have been a tad cheaper elsewhere, but YBS were fucking beautiful to deal with (main arrangements from AIP to confirmation all done in two face-to-face meetings, so stuff could be thrashed out in confidence), and they aren’t a bank. Would recommend YBS all day long. Fuck pissing about trying to arrange something this stressful and complicated over the phone or via email. Old school.

Quirk: the solicitor we’d originally chosen (to made the note of interest) sacked us off before we made our offer because the seller has jumped in and appointed them as his solicitor, which created a conflict of interest. So we went elsewhere. Which was kind of a blessing in disguise, cos the solicitor company we ended up with were robotically efficient. PM me for their deets if you want them.

Broadband: Fuck Virgin Media. They let the lad who was moving in to our old place set up his account days before he’d even been confirmed as the owner or moved in, which froze our existing account, and before we’d even moved out (and notified them within 24 hrs), they’d sold our outstanding balance to a debt collector company who have been bombarding us with letters. Pricks. Also fuck EE, who registered our order for broadband at the new address and did fuck all for a fortnight. When questioned, they said they’d need to start all over again and it’d be at least another two weeks until we got connected. Fuck that. One call to John Lewis Broadband had us connected with a new line before the day was out, and a new router delivered within 48 hours.

Anything else? This has been very therapeutic. Thanks for reading. Good night.

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early retirement charge?
*early repayment charge.

I’ll take a solicitor recommendation.

Alright, Craig David

Excellent work, that’s the quickest sale/purchase I’ve ever seen I think. Is that the way it goes in Scotland?

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See the Scottish system has its pluses and negatives. I spoke to an estate agent and they said that houses on at £200k would typically sell for 10k more - but you’ve offered more than 30? Just got no idea what I can actually afford. At least once you have the offer accepted you’re pretty much set.

Just had an offer on my flat from a buy 2 let investor (boo) at 20k under the asking price. Hasn’t even been advertised so he can go away.

What happens if the mortage lender deems your offer to be too high for them to lend you the money? Presumably you can still back out?

(just thinking that you offered 12% more than the report said that it was worth)

Yeah, we were pretty pleased to be in before September after having our offer accepted at the start of July and needing to sell our flat too. Especially as we were originally planning to move the week after, but our buyer (first timer lad, so no chain) and our sellers seller we’re pushing to bring things forward.

I think things tend to run smoother up here, but there’s no guarantee it’ll all fall in place as it should. I needed to push our solicitor to push our buyer’s solicitor to stop dawdling and get the lad’s mortgage approval details formally forwarded. Typical ballache stuff.

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Here’s my take:

Advertised offers over prices are irrelevant.

The homebuyers survey price is the real starting point.

If the property is, all things considered, OK and nothing fancy, it ought to sell for the survey price. If it’s manky, or there’s something undesirable about it - less. If it’s decent and reasonably desirable, then you’re looking at offering anything up to 10% over the survey price to bag a place. If the place is mint, in a nice location, then a bit more. Which is what we ended up doing.

We’d sussed the market and knew the survey was a smidge on the low side and that properties like it (3 bed, ground floor, corner plot, main door, blonde sandstone tenement flats decorated and fitted out to a high spec, in the fairly specific location we wanted to be) are rare as hen’s teeth, so there likely be hot competition for it. And we REALLY wanted it. Hence our :open_mouth: offer 13.75% over the survey price.

Some might say we overpaid, but we don’t think so, which is what matters. And apparently (according to the estate agent) we weren’t quite the highest bidder, but the seller liked us.

Our old place, on the other hand, was an unremarkable (but well presented - new bathroom and en-suite, new kitchen tiling, freshly painted) 2 bed new build. Not rare or highly desirable, but the market for that sort of thing is strong in this location, hence the swift sale (three working days from listing to accepting an offer, and not bothering with going to a closing date).

But, yeah, we totally agonised over what to offer. Wanting to bag the place, versus not wanting to bid way over anyone else. All you can do is offer what you think it’s worth, It’s the name of the game. But it avoids bullshit haggling, and once it’s done, it’s done, with minimal pissing about or worrying that things will fall through from that point until the deal is finalised.

As i noted to laelfy, the offers over 'advert price’s is basically irrelevant. Lenders will typically only lend based on the survey value stated on the homebuyers report. And, as you’ll be aware, normally not more than 90% LTV.

So… our offer of £227.5k on a property surveyed at £200k breaks down as £180k (90%) mortgage on a £200k valuation, plus £27.5k funds from us on top (which was basically us throwing all the equity in our old place into our new place to cover the 10% and the ‘extra over’).

(Probably worth noting that we had some savings that would have covered the non-mortgage part, had something drastic happened regarding the sale of our old place - don’t know the degree to which the building society took that into account (ultimately they weren’t needed, but, dunno if the BS would have got the jitters if that hadn’t been there).)

Similarly, our old place surveyed at £125k and sold at £130k, so the buyer would have had to throw in £5k on top of whatever deposit they were putting into their mortgage.

Bear in mind that this is in a relatively high-demand part of the city. Offering over the survey price (and therefore needing to find funds above and beyond the mortgage deposit) is probably not yer typical case study in all areas. I think.

Additional random financials: i) because council tax is stupidly based on early 90s valuations (and particularly stupid regarding new flats in Glasgow that didn’t exist in the 90s but are nonetheless pegged to a market where city centre new builds were a relatively exclusive and expensive beast compared to today’s cityscape), we’ve gone down two CT bands despite moving from a 2 bed to a 3 bed, and ii) the factors fees (for management of communal areas) in our old new build development were circa £100pm, but £20pm for the new place (no lift or shared gardens, etc).

::engaging needlessly defensive mode::

I can feel your rage from here for inflating prices or what-have-you. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: And we might be in negative equity. Theoretically, but who knows? It’s entirely academic because we plan to stay here for, basically, forever. So even if that is a thing at this exact point in time, it’ll melt away over the years. The long and the short is that it was mint flat requiring no work and we could afford it (without any external financial assistance from parents or whoever).

I find this thread strangely fascinating. I’m learning a lot from it.

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