#295

:frowning:

#296

Nooooo don’t go it’s no fun without you

#297

Great work @marckee
:roll_eyes:

#298

I don’t know why that black and white thinking expresses itself so profoundly on the internet though - you’re still talking to human beings. And for the record, I don’t think this place is worse than other places for this, but maybe that’s just a sad reflection on where I personally go to read news and discuss ‘issues’.

and it always ends up like this, with people feeling as though they can’t air their opinion for one reason or another. I’m on your side anyway, don’t go.

#299

I haven’t disappeared, or presented ‘radio silence’. I’ve been in a meeting for about an hour.

All I’m saying is that it is a word that has its origins in african american speech, and its recent politicisation within the Black Lives Matter movement, and so maybe everyone needs to be a bit sensitive to how they use it, rather than treating it as an object of fun.

Words do change meaning, but that change of meaning may not be universal. Be careful if you’re saying it from a position of privilege so that you don’t weaken its power or the seriousness it holds for others in a less privileged position. You may only think that this is a social board on a music forum, but why should one area of the internet be held to lower standards than another?

I’ve not called anyone a racist. I’ve just suggested that they should be more sensitive.

#300

Do you really not see though? Or are you just being difficult? In the 21st century way of cultural appropriation being a bad thing, by strenuously pointing out the origins of woke, you are in effect accusing people of cultural appropriation, and therefore of being racist. Argue the opposite if you like, but to not acknowledge that as being @meowington’s interpretation would pretty much confirm everything she said.

#301

I don’t use the word partner when referring to a significant other but I much prefer it and I should use it. It’s normally “this is my girlfriend Scarlett Johansson” when introducing or the equivalent when talking about them to someone for the first time, then just refer to them by name from that point onwards. As people have outlined above, “girlfriend/boyfriend” feels very teenage so using that in your 30s feels odd.

I hate being referred to as “boyfriend” when going out with someone so I should make the effort to rectify this with future TVs, at the very least ask them what they want to be referred to in those introductory situations. With Scarlett I hope it’s “TONY award winner”

#302

Cultural appropriation is not necessarily the result of racist intentions. It’s usually down to a lack of sensitivity or awareness.

I don’t even think I’ve said it’s cultural appropriation, either.

#303

At least two people had asked about the origins of the word, and marckee replied “It has specific historical origins in african american slang/dialect”. I didn’t read it as accusatory.

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#304

And still you’re giving nothing at all. That might not be exactly what you’re saying, but it is generally accepted that cultural appropriation is often racist.

Do you really not get it? Or are you being deliberately obtuse?

#305

And it may not have been in it’s intention. It’s the refusal to acknowledge that it may have seemed that way that’s doing my noggin.

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#306

But @meowington did, and surely lots of people explaining to her why it wasn’t isn’t the correct answer. We are still talking about people being sensitive with the language they use, right, or have we moved on to something else?

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#307

Yeah, that’s fair enough. I suppose the reason I’m picking up on that point specifically (marckee saying that word was of African American origin) is because I saw the questions asking where the word came from on the way down the thread, and had marckee not responded, I would have. I’d have used similar words as well, and I’m not sure what would have been an appropriate response instead.

#308

Please don’t go meow

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#309

Well a significant reason why threads like this spiral out of control is that we all have our own personalities and writing styles, and sometimes even when we’re acting true to type and in complete good faith then those can rub a nerve on someone who’s feeling exposed, or even under attack. So sometimes even simply stating what you think as a dispassionate argument is not necessarily the best course of action, This might be the internet, but it isn’t life and death and sometimes the best option is to put a sock in it.

Which is what I’m going to do now.

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#310

fuck sake love island finishes and this is what happens

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#311

So I actually did some work today, and have just come to this thread a bit image

I just want to check that I’ve not misunderstood anything, as the bit where @marckee mentioned “cis-” has really stuck in my craw:

Looking up “cis” in this thread, the only thing that I can see referring to it at any great length in a “how it’s all just so silly” way is possibly when @meowington said “I’d never heard the term cis before then all of a sudden we’re all cis”. On its own that doesn’t necessarily read brilliantly, but it’s part of a thread that is pretty much the opposite of what he’s talking about.

{whole thread - hidden for brevity}

I just wanted to check if this is what Marckee thought of as being “dismissive of a whole strand of progressive discourse”, because as far as I can tell nobody in it approached the idea of ‘cis’ dismissively in that subthread.

atm I personally feel a bit irked on that basis, as it was fully not how I was approaching it (can’t speak for anybody else, but I don’t think @aggpass is either), and I can fully understand Meo being upset, as that is how Marckee’s post comes across - certainly to me.

I may well have misunderstood it, though, in which case I’m happy to be corrected. Marckee’s usually alright…

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#312

Having read it back, I don’t think the word ‘cis’ was being treated in the same way, so apologies for that.

#313

Framing that :grin:

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#314

There’s actually a badge for that.

Not joking.

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