#47

The dog may not experience the placebo effect directly but the owner could, ie the owner believes that the dog is calmer or whatever, or expects it to be so acts differently and the dog picks up on that and changes its behaviour

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#48

Dutch Healing Company is supposed to be very highly rated. I did a lot of research when I was looking into it myself. Very good to deal with too, sent me the package twice because the first one vanished.

#49

is chat about other supplements allowed?

i’ve recently become interested in 5HTP and L-Tyrosine. The former boosts serotonin which is good for mood, anxiety, weight loss and sleep, and the later focus, motivation etc. People recommend taking them together as the 5HTP can deplete dopamine. Dont know if it is a placebo but apparently the 5HTP is well known to help people on MDMA comedowns which adds credibility to me

Tried it a bit and couldnt tell if it worked, felt like the 5HTP was helping me get to sleep, made me feel calm quickly, but I kept waking up wide awake in the middle of the night defeating the purpose. When I started to include the L-Tyrosine I had a really good week, super productive at work and in leisure time. Possibly placebo effect (reckon I am quite probe to it, like whenever I read a self help book I feel totally cured of various problems for about a week).

Anyway decided to stop taking it as I’m going to go to the doctor to explore attention deficit and think so probably best not to mess with my brain chemistry too much

#50

Boots have a 3 for 2 offer on a lot of stuff at the moment, I’ve used it to order three different cbd things just to see which (if any) work for me. Will report back.

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#51

Been thinking about trying this to help with my bruxism (teeth grinding).

Ive got a mouth guard which stops some of the damage to my teeth but i still bite down on it a lot which causes me to wake up with a headache at least once a week.

Anyone used CBD oil to help with this?

#52

I found CBD oil seemed to get me to sleep faster and more deeply but I am told that the teeth grinding continued unabated.

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#53

ah, thats good to know thanks :slight_smile:

#54

never heard of these but i’m intrigued

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#56

my wife suggested I take these to help with my sleep which I struggle with a bit due to my unsociable work pattern. I didn’t have too much trouble falling asleep, it was staying asleep long enough that I struggled with. I’ve found these to be a great help and I now sleep longer as a result. I only take them the night before a shift though (1 50 mg capsule 2 or 3 times a week depending on shift patterns).

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#57

My wife has a number of health issues for which she is still trying to get a diagnosis. Mainly chronic fatigue and joint pain. She was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis about 7 years ago but she was discharged from that specialist about 2 years ago with them saying they don’t believe it is RA that she has. She has been diagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia and also has depression and anxiety, all of which she is treated for. Someone from another forum I frequent recommended we check out a Swiss company called Cibdol, mainly for the treatment of pain and fatigue. She tried the 15% dose for a few weeks. She felt there was a noticeable reduction in her anxiety but no effect on the pain or fatigue unfortunately. Whether she was taking a strong enough dose we don’t know. The cost of it though means it not worth taking it for the marginal improvements in her anxiety. Her sleep was a bit off too (more broken, more vivid dreams)

#58

I found that high cbd/low thc (e.g., 18:1) helped the most to decrease my morning pain and inflammation and I feel more rested. I still take my meds, of course.

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#59

thanks. for her meds she’s on high dose of gabapentin for the pain but her tolerance to it is increasing all the time. it was recommended as per the instructions that she take 9-12 drops a day of 15% CBD but because of how expensive the stuff is she tried a much lower dose first (2 drops in the morning, 2 before bed). she’s got about a weeks worth left so she’s going to take the full dose for the remainder of her bottle and see how that goes.

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#60

Yeah, that’s the only reason I was able to get myself to try it, I’m usually deathly afraid of trying things.

I do think there’s a lot of this going on:

But I’ve seen a number of cases from people I really trust / who are extremely respected in the rescue community where they’ve tried everything to make their dog feel better, and CBD is what ultimately made the difference.

Think I’ve realized all it does for me is make me flat and my sleep even worse, so basically a less terrifying but equally ineffective SSRI.

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#61

It’s no slight on dog owners if they think something is helping their dog when it’s actually having no effect - this is why things get double blind placebo controlled trials instead of just “pick some trustworthy people and ask them”

I’ve no idea what studies have been done on this stuff and haven’t looked into it at all, so I’m not saying it doesn’t work. Just saying that yes, there can be a placebo effect for pet treatments, so you can’t be certain that a perceived improvement is a. real, and b. caused by this unless there are studies backing that up. That doesn’t mean that it’s not worth a try in the absence of any evidence that it doesn’t work.

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#62

Oh yeah, I didn’t mean to imply I disagree with you, I think you’re absolutely right. I wish there were more studies on it. I remember that there were some really encouraging ones about it being used to treat seizures in dogs at least.

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#63

Got some of this last week as I was waiting for my laundry to finish and there was a health shop next door. Had a few really good nights sleep and feel a bit more chilled. Might be a coincidence though

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#64

the oil didn’t last me very long but i tried some CBD gummies recently. felt a bit more chilled after a while but again very possibly coincidence

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#65

Hard to tell innit? I found it really effective but then I forgot to take it for a couple days and was still pretty chill.

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#66

Yeah, I go through periods when I sleep and feel better so I can’t say for sure if it is helping

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