I think it’s fair to say that were it not for his fightyness, the outcome of WWII could have been different, but obviously he was completely awful in many, many ways.

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They should do a doctor who episode to bring him down a peg

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Fucking jinxed it. Literally just opened a letter summoning me back there for a hearing.

Fucking Churchill.

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Yeah. It can’t be underestimated how key a role he played in keeping the fight against the Nazis going, particularly in 1940. When Chamberlain resigned, it was between him and Halifax (who had the backing of Chamberlain and the King) for the Premiership - had Halifax not lost his nerve, it’s almost certain that Britain would have sued for peace with Hitler in June 1940 and history would have taken a very different course.

I find him a highly fascinating character, largely from a MH point of view. His ‘black dog’ depression and fits of extreme mania where he simply wore those around him down to complete exhaustion.

Although I think it’s fair to say he liked war and the opportunity to play at being a general, he was, by and large, totally shit at it, as Gallipolli and the Norwegian campaign in 1940 proved. Many of his domestic policies were at best short-sighted or downright abhorrent and he was, of course, a brimming imperialist with all the racist and xenophobic undertones there-in attached.

So, GOAT - clearly anything but. A complex and deeply flawed man capable of great moments - yeah, I think so.

Anyway, tl;dr

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Stop doing war crimes eps

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Would you say this was the Churchill you were prepared to die on?

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Do you think of it as Churc hill or Church ill or Chur chill?

no u

Clearly a dog, not a goat.

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Church Hill.

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Ch? You’re… CHIIIIILL baby

If you’re using ‘defeated the nazis’ as an offset to ‘committed mass murder’, then surely he occupies a similar moral space to Stalin

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That is not an option!

He had my grandparents arrested, separated and put in internment camps (where my dad was born) for the crime of being refugees from the Holocaust

also, as Home Secretary in 1911 he tried to pass a law to register, segregate & sterilise “idiots” “imbeciles” “moral degenerates” and the “feeble minded” so that “their curse might die with them”

Lovely man

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Netflix and Churchill

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Thought P**** M***** was gonna scream himself into a heart attack about this on the telly this morning. Scottish dude straight up laughing at him, it was great

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prefer the term “revisionist mileycyrushistorianisation”

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Comrade Stalin was also a man of great contrasts

need to see a photo of young churchill before i decide