So much wild, wild shit has also turned out to be 100% true as well. Doesn’t mean that going against, for example, widely peer reviewed science is a good idea, but scepticism of narratives has only become more valid as time has gone on.

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I don’t know. Vaguely remember Louis Theroux doing a documentary about conspiracy theorists in the 90s and from what I remember there was quite a cross-over between UFOs/wacky conspiracy believers and gun-toting racists even back then. I guess if you’re open to believing any old drivel it can lead to dangerous stuff.

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Not even a “reply-all” email?

It can be a bit … Flat

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I’m trying to remember the name of the food tech teacher at my secondary school who was said to have been sacked because he was doing this

which bit of the country did you go to school again?

Of course, but still fully empathise with folks doing just that after they’re own government has spent 4 years shouting “Don’t trust experts!”

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There are several local conspiracy theories which I actually believe surrounding a local businessman in my hometown as he gets away with chopping down old trees, landing his helicopter in public parks and various tax related offences

Ftfy

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Oh yeah, absolutely. That’s why I caveated it so strongly! I’m very easy prey for this sort of thing given my occasionally tenuous grasp on reality.

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Yeah I think you and I are in similar places on this stuff

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Plymouth, believe you did too? Could well be the same one.

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it’s defs that. they’re fantastical, and simple to grasp (being that the truth is always much more complicated), and people struggling to understand the world and/or find meaning seem to be all over that.

^ Carpenter seems to believe it because he’s scared of space, which, oh man

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did we go to the same secondary school?!

how did we never figure this out before?

:smiley:

Nixon scuppering Vietnam peace talks to aid his election campaign
Reagan scuppering Iranian embassy negotiations to aid his election campaign
Operation Condor (US government and US firms’ backing of terrorism and torture to overthrow democratic governments in Latin America and embed right-wing dictatorships)
The faking of the attack on the maternity ward in Kuwait on the eve of the US congress vote on the first Gulf War
The faking of the Gulf of Tonkin attack, used by the US to justify escalating the Vietnam War
The faking of attacks on US aircraft, used by the US to justify the Bay Of Pigs invasion

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You can’t let “facts” get in the way of a bit

are these Mars Volta song titles?

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I partially agree with this. When conspiracy theorists go on about corruption, misinformation, etc I do get them. It’s right to get angry about that stuff, and to be sceptical about positions of power.

But more often than not, the problem with conspiracy becomes that EVERYTHING then proves their idea. They won’t listen to data or logical reasoning, and become inflexible. “Oh, so you disagree with me, then how come…”

The other thing is that they jump from something reasonable (e.g. a criticism of how medicine is applied, in the case of anti-vaxxers) and then to the one which is the most wild and impossible to prove (such as Bill Gates putting microchips into us via injection), and then claim THIS as a solid, indisputable fact. Because this is impossible to prove, there is no way to make a reasonable, logical counter-argument.

Most conspiracy theory arguments are appeals to emotion against the idea of “the system” rather than actual realistic ways of fixing it.

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John Robson’s Them is a good read on this stuff even bearing in mind it was written pre 9-11

Features David Icke, crazy republican cults rituals, that conference thing all the 1% and politicians go to that everyone used to think was a conspiracy but is real, a fledgling Alex Jones

CONPSIRATORS!

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