Yeah, I absolutely agree with your assessment of the best way to approach effecting change in this country. In the absence of favourable circumstances, taking a centrist position and then leading the electorate the left is the only coherent approach I can see. And I agree that a sense of national positivity is the only social circumstance that would work for the left. The opposite, crisis let’s say, only really works for the right because it plays straight into their authority and security narrative.

However, I can still imagine a functional charismatic campaign working in a political environment that is basically neutral. I recognise that the country is far from functional or perfect, but it is also not (yet) materially broken. It’s historically neoliberal and anti market restraint, but there’s the beginning of an advantage for social democracy in that people are becoming more open to the idea of pro-active government engagement with the economy than they were 20 years ago. It’s clear to people that the market is not neutral and that wealth generates wealth far more effectively than hardwork. As automation continues this will only become more apparent as productivity on behalf of capital, and therefore value, is taken away from people and put in the hands of machines.

I think that this context could be the premise for an effective left wing populism, if we could find an effective, engaging, relatable figurehead to act as a catalyst for the issues. Unfortunately @colinzealuk is right about how the system suppresses the chances of turning up a politician whose personal charisma could balance out the inherent instability of any campaign addressing economic change. Everyone is looking at the current PLP trying to find any sense that there’s the right chemistry there for leadership, and obviously we’ve not found it yet.

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This in itself is a problem;

  • To get elected as Labour leader at the moment seems to require a leftish platform (for reasons that may or may not persist).
  • So anyone standing as a centrist won’t win, unless they signal their intention to move left
  • But if they stand publicly making that intention clear then the media will rubbish them before can they get started; much as they did with “Red Ed”.

The whole thing’s very difficult difficult lemon difficult at the moment.

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Excuse me?

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Ah - okay, will look at this on the way home! Was slightly concerned for your state of mind for a moment there :slight_smile:

I can assure you it’s no worse than normal!

Well one of the advantages of significant decline is that the person who follows it tends to get a lot of leeway. If Corbyn’s ratings stay as they are and he fails to find traction on really any issue, and if his group can’t negotiate a transition, then whoever challenges in the next leadership contest will be in a far better position than Smith was, regardless of where they sit on the ideological spectrum.

That’s a short term development though. Fundamentally the party needs to find a way to bridge the gap between its membership and the voting public, and between its politicians and the full spectrum of the media, if it wants it’s internal democracy to be anything other than a hindrance.

Out of curiosity can I ask Corbyn thread reader’s a question? What’s more important to you:[poll max=50]

  • Stopping the Tories
  • Achieving specific left wing policy goals
    [/poll]

Wait… Are you saying you’ve never watched In the Loop, the Thick of It movie? Do so, don’t watch that clip first!

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No, I have seen In The Loop, don’t recall this though. About to dive in.

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The Sun is outraged by Corbyn’s latest idea:

https://twitter.com/chris_coltrane/status/849899307541114881

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I really feel like Adam Bienkov should have a new profile picture. That one is excessively smug and affects how I read the Tweets in my head.

Hapless socialist :smiley:

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Free school lunches

  • Finally, Corbyn’s getting on with it
  • Shit idea, never work
  • Unelectable

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Seems that in launching a solid policy with good outcomes, with a popular revenue-raising stream with good PR attached generates Corbyn notable amounts of positive media coverage. Who knew.

See also: National Insurance rises for the self-employed.

“Hang on a minute I thought you were going to tax OTHER people”

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‘positive media coverage’

LOL

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Got pretty decent coverage from what I could tell. Bit of negative comment about the efficacy of the policy also but, y’know.

What more do you want?

I’d say about 80% of the coverage was negative. A lot of it from the right-wing media was screamingly reactionary. A lot of it from the so-called ‘liberal’ press was so badly researched that it was laughable.

The BBC coverage last night was appalling - they spent more time interviewing private school parents who complained about how they could barely afford private schools, than talking to the families of children who would guaranteed good lunches every day.

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