Fair enough. I’ve never heard it myself.

tell me lies, tell me culinary lies
tell me tell me lies

oh wow i just came here to post this

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I’m not sure either are true, because I haven’t seen any conclusive evidence to prove them. That’s why I said the study (and the BBC one is the one I remembered) suggests it, rather than proves it.

What is the suggested mechanism for the “brain wanting sugar” theory?

Authentic automatically = better

Chorizo in a paella? Yes it tastes nice get amongst it

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proper interesting stuff

if craving = appetite* then its currently unclear according to this systematic review

*I guess if you crave sigar your apetite increases?

Short-term outcomes

Appetite and short term food intake

Eating behavior and metabolic effects due to the exposure to NNSs were investigated in five systematic reviews among other outcomes [2024]. One review reported evidence for an appetite lowering effect of aspartame, whereas the other reviews reported conflicting evidence for the effects of Stevia and ASs in general on eating behavior.

The primary studies on short-term food intake focused on whether exposure to NNSs enhances the desire for sweet foods and drinks, leading to an increased food intake. From the included 60 primary studies, 32 were small, cross-over RCTs [2556] with a similar design: the subjects first consumed a “preload”, a food or drink sweetened with either NNSs or with sugar (a nutritive sweetener) or a food or drink which did not contain any sweetener (e.g. water). After a time delay subjects were offered an ad libitum meal and total energy intake was measured.

No effects of NNSs on short-term food intake or subjective awareness of hunger were described in 39 studies (9 parallel RCTs [53, 5764], 22 cross-over RCTs [2529, 31, 3339, 41, 43, 46, 50, 51, 5356], 7 non-RCTs [45, 6570] and 1 case-control study [71]); 10 studies described an increased [32, 40, 45, 47, 49, 52, 7275], while 11 studies described a decreased food intake or appetite [30, 42, 48, 7683] in the NNSs intervention group as compared to the sugar-receiving or placebo group.

This said, almost every paper and review I’ve read has come to the conclusion that if you’re trying to lose weight, then a switch from full sugar to diet drinks will help (although water would be better…)

There’s a few suggestions in these articles which are the first I could find, thought I’d seen a more conclusive study published a year or so ago…

Edit: doubleespresso has posted actual science so ignore mine

Think this highlights the difficulty in conducting studies like this, so many potential variables it makes it hard to know the true answer.

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Yes, although that’s why scientists have jobs. I’d just point out re the BBC fizzy study that despite the small numbers in the study the ghrelin increases observed were statistically significant, even for those drinking carbonated water.

Yeah, these things are just crazy difficult in humans

we lie, are often non-compliant, temporal changes, baseline/control issues etc.

Proper dunning-kruger effect when journos sum it all up in one statement :DDDD

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Me too. Absolutely have at least 5 a day.

that authenicity is meaningful or possible is the greater lie

Reminded me I have cold brew in the fridge fanksss

Clive buys it. He puts it in the cupboard. And then the next day he buys proper garlic as well and the Easy Garlic just sits there.

Thing is, no matter how much fresh arlic you put in something it never tastes of garlic.

I just get the tubes of paste and bung a whole one in.

Laugh out loud loud loud?

Yes.

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I must be on 10+ a day

No wonder I’m constantly shitting my brains out

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