#71

I have no idea.

One of the least enjoyable parts of Brexit Chat is amateur commentators (Tony Blair included) stating for sure what EU27 will and won’t go for in negotiations.

#72

the brexiteers think that the EU is them telling us what do while we pay them lots of money

the infrastructure we get access to, they don’t seem to be aware of its existence

and of course if we don’t replace it with out own, we won’t be aware of it until things start to go wrong, that would’ve been prevented by the checks and balances provided by those agencies

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#73

Also would require some kind of huge love in for The EU which The UK, even in the midst of a mega post-Brexit recession, would never be able to muster…

#74

Not reading the thread but it’s obviously happening, in the least organised and rational way possible, and the rotting carcass of our welfare state and export industries handed to American corporations for a pittance.

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#75

Fuck knows if it will happen… British politics is going to be a fucking mess for decades regardless.

The Tory infighting will continue for years and years to come; Theresa May will be replaced by another chump who will be replaced by a further chump and none of them will agree on anything.

Labour will piddle on doing very little while Corbyn is in charge (he’s fucked because of his EU stance, but not fucked enough to stand down) and any replacement leader will be a ‘ship-steadier’ too afraid to try anything radical in either direction.

Lib Dems will continue to be a non-entity unless they magically figure out how to regain some credibility.

The SNP will slip in popularity a wee bit, but Scottish independence will be a consideration again; although if there’s a referendum I can see it being a No vote due to the electorate thinking they’ll be risking making a shitty situation even worse.

It’s going to be fucking horrific.

#76

Have been pondering lately if anyone really has much of an appetite for leaving the european union, the Mail seems to have largely abandoned reporting on it at all whilst the Telegraph seems to just be waffling about hypotheticals possibly as a vague attempt to gloss over the fact that relatively little is actually happening.

As mentioned above in Jonny Morris’s tweet few people seem to be clamoring for the infrastructure which a hard brexit would actually require. Personally I still think we end up with something similar to the Norway deal.

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#77

Great to see that so many people are just replying to these questions with “Oh it’s quite simple really” and then not actually offering any answers.

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#78

Look mate,

There’s nothing them Europeans can do that we can’t do on our own. We’re the greatest country in the world. Innit.

And if we choose not to, everyone else will wait for us, because the Germans are desparate for us to buy BMWs.

Alright?

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#79

I hope this is true, but I can honestly see a car crash coming :frowning:

#82

Are you okay @xylo? Does someone need to push your reset button again?

#84

Brexit is such a British problem isn’t it? It’s like Mark getting married in Peep Show out of shame. Any other country would have put a stop to this madness by now, if it had even got this far in the first place.

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#85

This is an amazingly great analogy.

#86

ha thanks, (I think). It’s just so typical of British attitude of “keep calm and carry on” which is basically code for “don’t question anything, don’t stand out, don’t cause a scene”

While every western or European country has this conversation and has a loud right-wing, they have an equally loud left and more logical centre. People actually act and try to do something about injustice. We Brits so often complain about how shit things are but are too afraid/comfortable to actually do anything about it, so instead we continue doing the detrimental thing because it’s easier than the alternative.

#87

Absolutely certain a number of Tories are taking the view ‘Doesn’t matter, this version of the party is shot and Corbyn will inherit the mess anyway’ from their rhetoric and total inaction. They are utter parasites.

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#89

I like the comparison of Brexit to Prohibition. A significant minority of people spent years whining and campaigning for something, and then suddenly they got what they wanted and it became clear very quickly they hadn’t planned for this actually happening at all.

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#90

I thought this year’s election result meant that’s more likely now (that we have a ‘soft’ Brexit).

#91

Not really. No one faction in the conservative parliamentary party has enough numbers to claim to be dominant, but also every faction claims to hold the balance of power.

All of the factions, however, know that a general election would likely see the Tories defeated, and so will play along with what the prevailing strategy is to avoid a collapse of government. That strategy seems to be being determined by the newspapers at the moment.

#92

tbf i think there is a hefty difference between overturning a result that leads to a massive and probably catastrophic change in favour of keeping the status quo, and overturning a result that opts for the status quo in favour a massive and probably catastrophic change (haven’t read the rest of the thread so this has probably been addressed).

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#94

It’s particularly weak given the fact that beforehand even the remain campaign were saying “if you vote for leave, that’s it, we’re leaving”.

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#96

The point of the advisory argument isn’t so much as a reason to ignore it, it’s that referendums normally have various checks and balances in place such as a super-majority if they are to have massive constitutional changes (and even then I don’t think are ‘legally binding’).

The thing is they debated whether the ref should have such checks but decided it didn’t need them as it was only advisory but then went ahead and took the result as a fait accompli anyway. And without having the slightest comprehension of what that would actually mean in the first place.

Any mature country would say 'ok we acknowledge the result and now we’ll look in depth at what that would mean (those reports that have only just been commissions) and look at why people want to leave.
But our country is run by a bunch of childish twats and an extreme press so that was never going to happen.