#38

Rereading this it sounds a bit ‘duh’ but i refer to rumours about certain unsavoury characters/behaviour, not just enablement, which is bad enough in itself.

#39

Okay…I’m not :wink: This is the third time I’ve mentioned him but…Sun Araw has stated he heard a number of rumours about Mondanile’s behaviour…and that was through being part of the same scene (i.e. being in the same band; surely the exposure is much higher). I’m not necessarily saying they KNEW what was going on and turned a blind eye…but I think it’s reasonable to assume they heard these rumours and chose to ignore them/not act upon them.

#40

Erm, you quite literally said:

which is the only thing I’m finding slightly objectionable. Your other points re “working out what went wrong and how it can be prevented in the future”, I couldn’t agree with more

#41

Ugh, to be fair I’m flitting between getting annoyed at them for not condemning it (which is a bit of a straw man position, I admit) and then giving them the benefit of the doubt until they are allowed to clarify their position (with help from other posters in this thread).

I maintain that if they try to distance themselves from responsibility I won’t be too impressed but realise I need to be a bit more cautious at this time.

#42

Who knows what external pressures they may have been under from managers or labels or others (e.g. lawyers) not to go public? The fact that it took three months from the Feb 2016 firing of Mondanile to the May 2016 announcement of his departure might indicate some serious legal wrangling going on re: what could and could not be said at the time.

#44

Yeah - didn’t think of this. Both Domino and Real Estate may be subject to a gagging order, which could mean that they will never disclose what actually went on in full, and why they’ve both been fairly tight-lipped to date

#45

Last post on this, after saying that I was leaving it about three posts ago.

Have just seen the following statement from Real Estate on Pitchfork:

“At the time of Matt’s dismissal from the band, the women we had spoken with requested privacy and we honored their wishes. We remain in complete support of the affected women, and will continue to stand by any decisions they make regarding the further pursuit of this matter.”

Assuming that the statement is an accurate and truthful reflection of the events, it would seem like they did talk to some of the women they knew about at the time of Mondanile’s dismissal, and the decision was made then not to go public because of the concerns of the victims. Not saying this exonerates them entirely, but it does seem that they weren’t just turning a blind eye, and were prepared to take the matter further at the time.

#46

Re: real estate

#47

That was meant to link to a single comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76seky/comment/dohyczi

#48

Interesting. Jesus, what a shitty dude. If it was a one-time thing it would be no more excusable, but the fact that it’s such a clear and persistent pattern of behaviour makes it feel quite disturbing.

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#49

Mondanile’s statement… There’s no redeeming this guy. Nasty, nasty piece of work.

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#50

Wow - started off thinking he was going to ‘handle’ this. That statement really goes off a cliff and ends on a note of total bitterness and recrimination, though.

Also the pat on the back he’s awarded himself for refusing to blame the women themselves is nearly fascinating in how much it tries, and fails, to be self serving.

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#51

Yeah, was just about to post this. It’s absolutely astounding.

How uncomfortable is the bit about Matt not wanting to blame the victims but his attorneys just have to add that there’s lots of defamation in the accusations? Argh fuck off fuck off fuck off

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#52

:unamused::unamused::unamused: what a piece of shit. Surely setting a new gold standard for a non-apology. As people have pointed out above, commending the women for their bravery and changing his behaviour whilst also claiming they defamed him is mind-boggling.

“Regarding Real Estate, the band required Matt to sign a ‘leaving agreement’ in February 2016 that prohibits both him and the band members from making any negative or derogatory statements about the other, or that may negatively affect the other’s reputation and career. In violating the terms of the agreement, Real Estate band members were not “protecting the victims,” they were instead protecting themselves by sidestepping the controversy to protect the band’s commercial viability.”

Of course I’ve no idea if this is true or just plain spite but it’s a bit…

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#53

Real Estate just came onto Radio6 and I had to switch over.

I can’t imagine what that feels like as a direct victim.

I think they shouldn’t have done that, tbh

#54

Isn’t Mondanile - like all of the original members of Real Estate - from a very upper middle class stockbroker-ish type of background and therefore likely well-connected to the more aggressive element of the legal community? Sounds like he’s got some sharp-elbowed lawyers from within that sort of community involved in it.

#55

His father is (or was until recently, his name has been taken off his company’s website) a senior managing director of a global commercial property firm.

#56

Julia Holter has shared her experiences. Unsurprisingly eloquent.

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#57

Wondered what her perspective on things would be. Hopefully this all coming to light will help her process things and leave that phase of her life behind.

P.S. Jules is a thousand times the artist this rotter is.

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#58

Ugh - I find it so so dark how this behaviour seems to pervade every area of his life. It sounds like the reports just scratch the surface.

When these things come out you want to believe they’re isolated - that, as much as the perpetrator deserves to be punished, they’ve been caught up for acting out of character. Because I guess it’s rotten to think of men who just cannot be trusted around women, but there it is.

This man sounds pathological, and it somehow makes it worse that he has/is being shielded from the full, cataclysmic fall-out of his actions by inherited wealth.