#735

He’s known for repeated posts targeting Diane Abbott based on her appearance and also repeated racist (including anti-semitic) jokes, supposedly caveated with “… said Ken Livingstone” after them. It’s really transparent stuff.

I also know of people who were acquaintances of him in real life. He’s a full-on ‘edgy-lad’ type who likes to throw around slurs as humour.

#736

Oh, lovely.

#737

R/ukpol can be a cesspit but this exchange is worth sharing

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#738

Two Chris Grayling strikes in one day - impressive even by the man’s own high standards.

My mum has worked for the probation service for 35 years - the likely impacts of Grayling’s changes were widely warned against at the time by anyone with even an inkling of insight, and are starting to make their way through the system now. Gove by comparison was seen as a relatively safe pair of hands…

#739

Where’s this from?

#740

https://newpol.org/issue_post/left-europe-social-democracy-crisis-euro-zone-interview-leo-panitch/

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#741

What has surprised me is that at least some of the anti-semitism on the left is now barely distinguishable from that on the right, whereas I think traditionally it has been more narrowly associated with anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian stances.

#742

That’s true of course, but I was thinking more in terms of living memory.

#743

My impression of Gove is that his instincts are bad but he is capable of listening to arguments and thinking about things, unlike Grayling.

#744

could you see him leading some kind of mass walkout soon? what happens then? why is alex wickham a better journalist than most despite being a roaster and a tory?

#745

Seem to remember on Newsnight the other day Nick Who Where What was saying that the threatened rebellion over Williamson was supposedly about 70 MPs.

#746

Hope that strategist tells him to drop that shirt -buttoned- to-the-top with no tie look

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#747

Best description of N Farage I’ve seen in a while

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#748

it’s stunning they could do that and there’s no legal recourse. just steal all that money and volunteer time to get elected and then sack it off because you can’t get behind nhs funding and not doing wars.

#749

The watch predicted this days ago.

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#750

i should like one of your watches tbh

#751

Hello! Feel free to treat me like a massive thicko here… Regarding the Labour / anti-semitism stuff.

How / where did this all start? The vague digging I’ve managed, and the daily 10 minutes of BBC News I endure over breakfast, all bang on about people quitting, or complaining how anti-Semitic Labour is, and how no one’s doing anything about how anti-semitic they are, and how they won’t address the issue,etc… though… what have Labour actually done? Publish a statement calling all Jews cunts or something?

Kid gloves please.

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#752

You’ll never see the media give specific examples cause there’s not many recorded incidents out there. Ken Livingstone’s been a twat a whole bunch of times, Jezza was dumb and once liked a painting on Facebook with antisemitic imagery about eight years ago and then there’s people getting shit for protesting Israeli apartheid (even though this requires conflating Israel with all Jewery which is itself antisemitic). Beyond that you get people like Chris Williamson saying stupid things to defend Labour against the smears so it’s mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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#753

It has no start (because that would condemn the wrong people and raise questions nobody’s willing to answer) and no end (because nobody opposed to Corbyn Labour wants it to end). It’s just white noise, designed to block any other message about Labour, from now until some sensible neoliberals are back in charge and order is restored.

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#754

Yup. There are some lower profile cases as well - there was Peter Willsman (elected to the NEC as many votes had already been cast despite denying he had ever heard anything anti-Semetic at all as a Labour member - apparently he’d never heard of Ken), a particularly nasty case in the Hendon labour party where a 10+ year anti-Semite managed to become a member despite publishing some dreadful stuff (Adam Langleben wrote about it in depth a year or two ago) both spring to mind.

It’s a problem that needs to be sorted, but based on the statistics published a couple of weeks back there’s nothing to suggest the problem is actually any worse than anywhere else in society in general. In that sense it’s both a problem AND a convenient stick to hit Labour with.

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