How is this a bestseller ffs :man_facepalming:

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Do you have a royal hidden in your knee?
To distract the tabloids from Theresa’s wheaze
She offered to resign to placate the DUP
But the brexiters will still vote NOE all full of glee.

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Do you have notifications
hidden in your knee?
@xylo misjudged the nation’s
sadness propensity

eurgh feel disgusting

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Err WTF?

Labour’s entire strategy at present hinges around a General Election and the most likely outcome means Labour will rely at least in part on SNP support to command a significant majority in parliament. What a strange tweet in the circumstances.

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Oh dear. What is Corbyn playing at? What the hell does he think he’s achieving with this? Very poor judgement indeed.

We’ve had the argument about the circumstances before, so I’ll try and be relatively brief.

As a fundamental point, The SNP weren’t, and never will be, obliged to have confidence in a Labour government. Callaghan’s or otherwise.

But there’s more to it than that.

Callaghan himself blamed the rebels on his own benches, rather than the SNP, for ultimately bringing about the collapse of his government.

The Labour rebels referred to by Callaghan in this instance are those who carried a last minute wrecking amendment to the 1979 devolution referendum in Scotland, tabled by a Labour MP, introducing the requirement for approval by 40% of the whole electorate as well as a 50%+1 simple majority in the result - making it effectively unwinnable because

_the register was so out of date that even in an area where major support for a “yes” vote might be expected, achievement of 40% of the electorate was virtually unattainable. This was because the majority of electors lived in older tenements or newer Council blocks of flats where flat numbers were not specified. The work of electoral registration staff to obtain an accurate current register was almost impossible. _

Note that that 1979 result was 52:48 in favour of devolution.

Not being pro-Labour is not automatically being pro-Tory. And the sooner Labour realise that, the sooner they’ll have a chance of governing the UK. And they may even move on from being the third party on Scotland.

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Some very interesting parallels between the ailing government now and in 1979, in Roy Hattersley’s recollection:

Labour was a minority government. To survive the vote, the party had to make friends and recruit allies. It was a task to which, for the previous week, half a dozen of us had devoted all our energies. I had been made responsible for two of “the odds and sods” - the not altogether affectionate name that the government chief whip had given the members who either had no party or could be detached from their party allegiance. … the “odds and sods” were our only hope…

The government had lived precariously for more than two years - cobbling together majorities night by night by recruiting whatever allies were available.

So the hope of survival rested on Labour mobilising every one of its own members and persuading a couple of Irishmen - orange or green, it did not matter - briefly to join its ranks in the No lobby.

Don’t want to dwell on Matt Zarb-Cousin of all people but…

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If these are the operating principles and attitudes of Corbyn’s office wrt the SNP then they can forget about achieving anything in government if they get there.

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“their antics last night”

What’s he on about there?

More generally, if people think the reliance on the confidence vote of the DUP has been a thorn in the side of the Tories, Labour having the SNP in a similar position would be next level scenes. Having said that, I could genuinely foresee some good stuff coming out of it, too. The SNP have been in government for well over a decade, much of that as a minority - they know how to play it.

Heard Black crouched down behind Corby and Blackford pushed him over

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Abstaining on Customs Union indicative vote last night

Essentially voting in such a way that continued Tory government, and No Deal or May’s Deal is more likely.

I mean it’s obvious that the SNP don’t owe any solidarity to those south of the border and that independence is more likely to be realised if there’s a Conservative government, but sometimes it’s worth reminding people of that.

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Jeez, Geoff. Corbyn played the blinder, remember? He isn’t going to need the help of anyone after the next election

How is that “antics”? It’s not the stated preference of the party? Why vote for it at this stage (and give it more weight than the preference to revoke A50)? If/when there’s an STV vote on Monday, I think we can be confident that it’d be a high-ranking option.

I don’t buy that theory.

Are you being serious? If so, grow the fuck up. Seriously. I haven’t got time for niceties on this line any more. It’s trash.

Citation needed. Corbyn and his party are currently doing independence all sorts of favours.

Reminding people of things that don’t exist? Blimey.

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Could also view it that politics is mostly “antics”. Every party is entitled to (and carries out, with NO exceptions) their own antics. That’s politics.

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don’t know anything about the SNP, what are they about other than independence?

He needs the help of one person and one person only.

And the name of that person? Don’t Know.

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supposed to be left wing aren’t they, idk

no idea, they could be real baddies for all I know