Anyone who has had a passing interest in US sports over the years is well aware that Smith is an absolute doofus, was very weird when he suddenly became a meme on UK Twitter. He’s the subject of this famous tweet

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Can we all agree that Crouchy’s Late Euros show is possibly the worst thing that has ever been on television.

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No cause the James Corden one in 2010 was worse.

Haven’t seen it so it doesn’t count.

More or less agree with all of this, especially England’s cautiousness and inability to lay a glove on Italy, but – from memory – it feels a bit harsh to characterise that 65-minute period as all the same.

Felt like they were dangerous and willing to break for about 15 minutes after taking the lead, rattling Italy without finding that final pass or opening again, then a lot less dangerous on the counter but still extremely comfortable until half-time. Think their undoing was gradually retreating, allowing Italy onto them until eventually, inevitably it became quite suffocating. Think the failure to get any kind of grip during the second half was ultimately England’s undoing, and really that’s on Southgate imo.

It’s only one moment but that Maguire hoof is pretty damning and very England 2004-2016.

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Yep, I was happy at half time and we did properly have a go for the first 20 mins I think, form memory.

It’s so frustrating though. Our biggest fear should have been not scoring and then trying to break a patient Italy down. But we ended up with a dream early goal which should have created space for counter attacks.

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Still got Three Lions in my head. Nightmare. Make it go.

Having not seen it, I agree with you

Aye, I posted this at half-time.

What a missed opportunity. Think the comparison to Germany 2010 is really apt, and he’s picked out some pretty damning/illustrative stats of how comprehensively they failed to do that, not just in the final but throughout the whole tournament:

But in the final, between Shaw’s opener after two minutes, and Bonucci’s equaliser after 67, England only had two attempts at goal — one apiece from centre-back partners Maguire and John Stones, both at set pieces, both off-target.

Throughout the tournament, whereas Italy attempted seven shots in their seven matches in “fast break” situations, England only attempted one — Sterling, in the 120th minute of the 2-1 semi-final victory over Denmark.

That’s despite the fact England spent 265 minutes at 1-0 up in this tournament, more than any other side. That’s almost three complete games, but in that period England managed only 13 shots, and 3.0 xG, when you might have envisaged an attacking quartet, boosted by fresh options from the bench, to be creating repeated scoring chances.

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Lucky lad. I watched it on multiple occasions. It was truly awful.

I can’t get over that part he highlights where Maguire boots it out with no intention of finding a player. It’s so unlike him, he’s normally very assured on the ball under pressure. I can only think it was instructional.

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It’s odd how there aren’t really any good shows about football really, both on an entertainment side of things and also on an analysis side. MOTD/MOTD2 are good (MOTD is too long though) and Monday Night Football with Carragher and Neville is decent but aside from that, there’s little out there

the one time I got given a bit of the old money_with_wings, I was just like a more confident lovely person

(it was also apparently high quality :upside_down_face:)

but yeah… whatever the substance, it’s magnifying toxic masculinity with the likes of these fans

has anyone said Leeds yet?

as long as Bielsa is there, anyway

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I was wondering why he was popping up here and there when nobody except very cool people like me and @profk pay attention to the cool sport of basketball

I think Leeds is the closest top-flight club to where I was born (near Hull), but as a kid I always claimed I was a Man U fan, remember having a Man U wooly hat and everything. That was before I decided I didn’t really like football and I’ve never really bothered since. Have tried to form some attachment to Cardiff since my dad and brother have been going there for years but only check the results so I have something to chat them to them about really. Been to a few Dulwich Hamlet games which have been nice but I don’t think about them outside of that. Hard to fake this stuff isn’t it.

Yeah trying to think of a reverse equivalent, I probably don’t know pundits here well enough though.

yeah, defs. especially when a lot of teams are quite unlikeable for one reason or another.

you have to go through a proper bonding experience with a team, I think - like I’ve done supporting the Falcons and the Hawks. you have to open your heart to them.

Ok everyone, you’ve had your fun. Time to stop pretending that Leeds are a nice, morally sound, hooligan light club to support. The ruse is OVER

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idk, we have lots of controversy-courting loudmouth knobs over here!

not sure we have anyone quite like him, though.