Ed Woodward went to number 10 Downing Street for a meeting last week but the super league was definitely not discussed?
itâs insane
also the europa and that new conference league will both be switching to the same format. no team in europeâs gonna wanna qualify for either of them
The cynic in me did wonder if the Super League stuff was spoofed so everyone concentrated on that and just accepted the new CL plans in comparison.
Haha fucking hell
Thatâs your Jota injured now
The English Juan Guaido.
The arsenalist of placards
Thought this was a good little thread on the general stuff Iâve been ruminating with in terms of tribalism/solidarity across fanbases and what fans actually want.
Posted the other day making a link between Man Utdâs transfer spending and Glazer out sentiment, and Iâm well aware that was trite/unhelpful and that their fans have every right to be unhappy with aspects of how the club is being run. Same goes for Arsenal with KSE. Itâs genuinely been nice to see fans standing up and getting a win against the billionaire class - and the only way that football fans collectively are going to achieve further victories is by showing solidarity across club colours.
I do mean that, genuinely I do, but (Iâm well aware this is going to look like one of those âyou can ignore everything before the butâ things) when youâve supported a club thatâs fallen to the third tier under the ownership of Ken Fucking Bates, it takes every ounce of your self-restraint not to just immediately respond with a giant internal âOH FUCK OFFâ when you see Man Utd/Arsenal fans talking about âfalling out of love with footballâ, or Chelsea/Man City, when basically all their on-pitch success, European away days and trophies won have been built upon how stratified things have become, how fucked the industry has been for the last 20 years, their boot on the neck of 86/92 of the other clubs in the professional football pyramid.
If you support a big six club, every moment of joy your football team has given you in the past 20 years has come as a direct result of a system that have left the rest of us feeding on scraps. And it leaves you questioning what is it that fans of those clubs actually want? Because when you see the unthinkable success and the bellyaching that comes alongside that, it sure as hell doesnât seem like they want a fairer, more equitable game that benefits everyone else. You want more clubs to be in a position to build like Leicester and threaten your rightful place at the top table, eh? - it really, really doesnât seem like that.
My clubâs doing ok now, but I canât even imagine how insulted youâd feel reading/seeing some of this stuff if you supported Bury, Bolton, Wigan, Sunderland etc and the laughable suggestions of âpunishing the fansâ with points deductions or consequences for their craven actions.
Yeah I was thinking this. Easy to get big 6 fans to mobilise against the super league cos itâs not really an appealing concept even for them, much harder to get them to muster any opposition towards the current messed up status quo that benefits their clubs
Arsenalâs net spend between 1996 and 2014 was ÂŁ26m. Between 2006 and 2013 we actually made ÂŁ50m in the transfer market. Wenger also tried really hard to keep control of the wage structure at the club. Since we have started trying to match the big spenders, weâve experienced very little joy or success (outisde of the FA cup), with it seeming like the more we spend the worse we get.
Wenger was trying to do things the right way, but as it became harder and harder to compete, the fans just ended up demanding for him to âspend some fucking moneyâ, and then just flat out hurling abuse at him every week. Nothing the board or owners ever do will come close to matching this shameful behaviour, which is why Iâm not overly enthused with the idea of fan-led initiatives being some sort of beacon of hope.
Leicesterâs moderate success was bankrolled to a much greater extent than the extraordinary early success of Wenger.
Fair point, that post-2013 stuff just underlines my point about what is that fans of the big six actually want.
âIf you support a big six club, every moment of joy your football team has given you in the past 20 years has come as a direct result of a system that have left the rest of us feeding on scrapsâ was maybe a bit too sweeping a statement, but the wider point applies, especially when you consider the Invincibles were 17 years ago now.
Landscape of football has been so different post-Abramovic/oil money that Wengerâs success between 98 and 2004 feels a lot closer to context of Clough, Shankly 70s/80s football than it does to the unrecognisable state of the sport/industry today. Wonât denigrate Wenger, and with every passing year getting Arsenal into the top four for 20(+?) straight years looks better and better, but in that mid-noughties Sky Four era it just felt like a case of those clubs consolidating their wealth/power/status.
Was only City and the rise of Spurs that shook things up. Drawbridge has long been pulled up where itâs even vaguely possible for a different club/coach to replicate what Wenger did 25 years ago (and letâs not kid ourselves, he hardly took over minnows) - without being âbankrolledâ it would be impossible for Leicester/Everton/Leeds to close the gap. And thatâs exactly the problem.
Leeds ended up there due to massive financial mismanagement and were unlucky just with the timing, if they spent the what they did then now itâd be a drop in the ocean. The final mismanagement at Leeds is tiny compared to the majority of superleague teams.
The money at the top is absolutely ridiculous now. United have spent nearly a billion on transfers while
ÂŁ1.5bn has been taken out of the club at the same time.
ÂŁ1.5bn of what should be a community assets money going into the pockets of some vile scavengers from Florida and investment bankers.
All at the same time with no attempt to actually win the league. They need top 4 for the sponsorship coming in at the same level and that is all theyâre interested in.
just a side point but Wengerâs team was built from a title winning defence that he inherited, not exactly a fair comparison
Completely agree with this. Tried to make a similar point earlier in the week but probably didnât make it very clearly. As a Southend fan who more recently follows Wigan, life in the pyramid where youâre completely at the mercy of the owners is really really grim. Both my teams have had points deductions, obviously Wigan went into admin and have sold their whole squad* Southend are now relegated to non league after 115 years as a league club and have also had point deducted, transfer embargoes, winding up orders etc. Itâs difficult to have much sympathy for the top 6 but completely appreciate that there are good fans of them who want football to be better.
*just a reminder you got Gelhardt from Wigan for pennies due to the administration. Heâd have been worth millions on the open market. The whole system is rigged for the bigger team and they all act like vultures when they can get away with it