#106

The explosion on population creates an equal if not greater increase in production.
Every person in the world is a potential customer
Every person in the world leaves a carbon footprint
Things like omissions from electricity and petrol increase as more people are born into the world.

OBVIOUSLY the ultimate aim is to remove waste in the production process but that gets harder and harder to do the more people there in the world. To claim the earths current human population number isn’t an issue in all of this would be silly.

#107

Doesn’t it also take something like 100 pints of water to make 1 pint of beer?

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#108

Shitting on commuters for using public transport was a silly fucking idea. A really silly fucking idea. Whoever suggested that or agreed to it over pretty much any other form of protest should have a word with themselves. It reminds me of the “radicalise the moderates” guy in Four Lions. Silly.

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#109

the poorest half of the global population, some 3.5 billion people, are responsible for only [around 10% of global emissions (while living overwhelmingly in the countries most vulnerable to climate change). The richest 10% of people in the world are responsible for around 50% of global emissions.

^ stole that from elsewhere

basically overpopulation has fuck all to do with any of this

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#110

Let’s not even get into the water consumption ratio for coffee production, which is just mind-boggling

Actually, no, let’s - it takes roughly (and this figure is queried, but it’s sort of tinkering around the margins) 140 litres of water to produce one cup of coffee.

Tea is around 34 litres or so.

#111

If there were less people there would be less emissions.
Obviously that should start with rich people

#112

As they’re the ones that own the businesses that are making the waste, sure

But again, the sheer number of production goes parnt n part with the TOTAL population

#113

Proposal of population control is almost inevitably racist IMO.

It ALWAYS ignores the bit that @AQOS said
It is NEVER the UK/US etc population people are talking about controlling.

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#114

Feel like this is indirectly Met police’s fault. Outlawing protests (an extremely iffy thing to do) is kind of a dare isn’t it? Daring them to do more and get louder, especially as they have the rationale that being outlawed is in itself a breach of (gentlemen this is) democracy manifest, which validates their belief that they are doing the right thing?

I’m lightly-pro ER (when they lost control of the fake-blood-fire-house was funny AF), but targeting commuters is not the right approach in any way whatsoever. You have no idea who you’re disrupting there, and those people could and probably would include healthcare workers, carers, people severely lacking job security and being late has potential life damaging consequences etc.

That said the people who were kicking the protesters on the ground en masse are total pricks.

#115

Yeah tbh I shouldn’t have said that “there’s a lot of it itt”, as it’s mainly more a critique of carrying out a protest at Canning Town, but there’s plenty of people going with the narrative that you shouldn’t disrupt public transport which (A) seems to miss the point of protests a bit, and (B) kinda focuses on this as if it’s the only thing they’ve been doing:

That said, this post is pretty much “middle class people shouldn’t protest because they’re privileged”

  • It’s probably been put more eloquently elsewhere but there’s something very classist and exclusive about these protests. You can tell that being arrested is going to have little or no effect on their lives.

[edit: to be clear I don’t want to single out people or anything, just want to point out that it’s really easy to fall into as a “no true protestor” kinda trap. Honestly I’m a bit conflicted about getting at commuters in Canning Town, as that isn’t a wealthy area. Think they should be doing this in Wimbledon or Richmond or somewhere…]

#116

I could absolutely be swayed to support them more and do more but if they start fucking up my commute to work which is already quite harrowing sometimes then I’ll resent them.

Call me petty or whatever but I think lots of people feel the same way.

#117

We should be really uncomfortable about this narrative though because it frequently targets the global south and is dangerously close to racist / eugenicist views. The way we organise our resources and structure our economies is the more pressing factor.

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#118

I basically agree with this as well:

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#119

The current plan is clearly to let the global south die.

#120

I’m not sure it’s fair that that’s being projected onto yiaad.

#121

Worth it.

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#122

Yeah I don’t think ducky thinks like that at all, but there are people out there who do which is why we should be very cautious about it.

#123

Does that include the water needed to grow the hops and barley etc? Because I’ve homebrewed and the water involved to beer produced is closer to 2/1 than 100/1.

#124

you’re probably not factoring in the amount needed in cleaning, barley germination/malting, hop growth etc

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#125

Genuinely no offence meant by this, but I do think (in the grand scheme of things) that is pretty petty!

But I appreciate that that is how you feel, I’m not meaning to be accusatory here. What could xr do which would encourage you to do more to support them (as mentioned in your post)?

As an aside to this, I do fuck all outside of my own very minor reductions in waste creation on my own life, and I haven’t been anywhere near being disrupted by activism,