#372

I didn’t hate it but I didn’t feel the hype for it either.

I mean Sandor m8, he’s basically dead anyway. He’s not your big brother any more.

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#373

Apart from, you know, roasting them alive and that.

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#374

Are you saying that you’d be fine if she chopped their heads off? Dead is dead I think, particularly in as cruel a world as this.

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#375

This season is paying off in terms of my semi-attentive watching style of previous seasons, it’s like watching a semi-lost history of an empire collapsing. My parents keep rooting for characters but I’m hoping the ending will be spectacularly hopeless tbh

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#376

Yeah agree with this.

Wish they’d given this ending more time to develop with a few more episodes in last season and this. It’s really feeling now like a massive disappointment and missed opportunity

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#377

Hmmm… dunno. Like I said, zombie mountain was already a terrible idea - don’t know if that’s on GRRM or the show but it’s genuinely dire - and at the beginning of the fight they literally showed him taking big chunks out of the walls with his sword having just protected Cersei from giant slabs of rubble falling in. Without taking a scratch. They made him an invincible supervillain.

And to compensate they upped the Hound from bastard-hard-man-with-sword to equally unkillable superhero so the fight wasn’t over in seconds. It just doesn’t work for me because it undoes all of the messaging about stories of great heroes and warriors being a load of crap and the reality being a lot more down to earth and grimy that were established in the first few years.

Ultimately it’s just another very clear example of the show veering away from usurping fantasy expectations to delivering on them instead.

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#378

Yeah, also:

“Arya, I wouldn’t bother with Cersei. Castle’s falling in and there’s a dragon burning everything. She’s gonna die anyway.”
“Well then, same goes for your brother yeah?”
“No.”
“Why?”
“Memes.”

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#380

I liked Clegenebowl, mainly because it was a good resolution to the story of the brothers and also it was a fitting arc to The Hound who is one of the best characters. Them falling into the fire together was fitting but could have been OOT but IMO worked. The way they did it as a video game/marvel ultraviolent fight with swords smashing bricks and zombies not dying was great because it kind of showed the ‘legend’ of the fight that it could be in the future. A bit like the Tower of Joy/Sword of the Morning fight where you got the real version via T3ER compared to the legendary story that the Starks grew up hearing, and in this case with no witnesses or survivors it showed us the legend fight that people will talk about - the mountain couldn’t die so the hound had to sacrifice himself by pushing themselves both off the tower into the Dragonfire. It was badass

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#381

No, I’m saying killing them is on her slide to “mad queen” or whatever.

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#382

Basically I feel like everyone who is annoyed with Dany is actually annoyed with themselves over how the show made you root from someone who turned into a baddie.

I think the show did the work to make it work - clumsily maybe. And with some problematic work, true. But if you believed that she was inherently good doesn’t remember

  • she kept drogo alive at the cost of her baby
  • she sacked tonnes of cities in the east
  • crucified surrendered folk
  • executed the lannister army outright
    Etc etc
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#383

Cleganebowl looked like fucking Highlander. So shit.

I’ve been on board this whole series just cos it never felt that important to me but that was a genuinely awful episode.

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#384

Is anyone annoyed with Dany’s arc? I think all the criticisms/concerns are about how the writers got it to this point - the shortcuts and inconsistencies and tropes they relied on.

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#386

think the hound realised that as he was stabbing him, that he was never going to get his revenge and had wasted his life chasing it

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#387

Still irked about this ^

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#388

But Dany’s not in love with Jon and Cersei’s not in love with Jamie? Dany’s attempt to seduce Jon read as a test for me, not a genuine stab at a love affair. Dany and Cersei both love the throne.

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#389

And their children.

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#390

F U C KKKKKK

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#391

Good ep, terrifyingly visceral in places. Got a sense of Kings Landing as a place where people actually live again, albeit briefly - think the mother fleeing with her child was in Line if Duty as well right? Was pleased with the Jamie and Cersei resolution (apart from the Euron intermission FFS) which I wasn’t expecting to be.

Feel like this might actually make Tyrion’s place in the story interesting again (though bleak as can be)

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#392

Here I come, mansplaining… :wink:

What I thought Dany was trying to do was like a last test. Does Jon support her, is he with her? I don’t know if I ever believed she loved Jon - intentionally ambiguous or shit acting, you decide - but she isn’t defined by love for men, but for love of the idea of ruling and the throne. I think.

The Jon Dany stuff reeeeeeeaaalllyy didn’t work, and now I’m unsure if it ever was meant to.

Also Rose Leslie and Emilia Clarke are best friends apparently so that’ll make things Wierd haha

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#393

Ygritte+Jon4Eva

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