#404
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#405
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#406

What an eloquent, powerful argument. And the entire time that fucking farcical Brains impersonator has that absurd condescending look on his face when he’s being told that classism is the reason for anger. Worthless slime of a man.

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#408

Outstanding. Again.

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#409

That man speaks more to me in nine minutes than frontbench MPs have done in a lifetime.

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#410

can’t remember who said it up thread but it’s so fucking good to see articulate, intelligent working class people given a voice

equally it’s so fucking tragic that it took such an unimaginably horrific event for their views to be given any airtime at all

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#411

At least 58 presumed dead now.

I saw a woman on the news talking about how one of her neighbours was a 70 year old who’d had a stroke and couldn’t walk was made to live on the 23rd floor. Horrifying.

#412

fuck yes.

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#413

What a great guy. What a legend.

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#414

Words actually fail me here.

If voices like these were being heard in both the media and HoC, our country would be an infinitely better place.

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#416
#417

Quite:

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#418

How likely is this to be correct? I’m in no doubt things are being handled terribly but I don’t want to spread fake news about this when it’s distressing enough as it is.

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#419

It’s likely to be very true that the number lost will be in the hundreds simply because there are hundreds of people unaccounted for

#420

My issue with this isn’t that the death toll figures are not yet accurate - I think everyone has admitted that it will rise considerably - it’s the idea that the figures are being kept secret as part of a conspiracy to deflect attention and protect the government. And while I wouldn’t put anything past this shithouse government, actually, this is just the result of due process. Finding the bodies, identifying the bodies, and contacting the nearest relatives is a process that will take a long time, but that’s the way it has to be done. If we’re asking the “real figure” to be released now then that means a lot of people are going to have their friends and relatives’ deaths confirmed to them by the front page of a newspaper, which isn’t actually a good thing.

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#421

Yeah, absolutely. Plus you’ve got to factor in that there may well have been people in the building who weren’t actually resident there (staying over with friends or family, for example), which makes the figures difficult to calculate.

Which isn’t to say the whole situation isn’t awful for people with family and friends missing who are still waiting to find out what’s happened to them.

#422

Genuine question, apols if I sound thick: does an addition to the death count only happen once bodies have been formally identified by family/other means?

#423

right now i assume that’s the case, thus the death toll being so low compared to the predictions

#424

My step dad is a fireman and I grew up hanging around his station for a decade. I know from what he’s told me before that identifying people in those conditions is very hard, and that’s when you have accurate records of who might be in there.

I don’t think anyone looks at that tower and believes the death toll will remain low. But it is the right way to update people. The Fire Brigade Union is no fan of this government, having been decimated by cuts. And the response times have suffered accordingly where those extra minutes taken mean greater risk of death. They’ve said they’ll publish accurate figures as and when they have them I believe, so I think the truth will out. With that tower standing grimly in the heart of London now, it’ll be a tough thing for any PM to hide.

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#425

Can someone who knows more than I do tell me whether it’s extremely dodgy or not that Theresa May said the inquiry will ‘answer to the prime minister’? Does that mean she’ll take control the inquiry, or that she’ll be responsible for relaying the findings which might also be made public at the same time or something. No one seemed to take any notice when that was announced yesterday but I thought it was very weird.

This is also extremely bad. This is definitely a Hillsborough kind of moment