Top 3 HBO dramas?
- Big Love
- Boardwalk Empire
- Game of Thrones
- Six Feet Under
- The Leftovers
- The Newsroom
- The Sopranos
- The Wire
- True Blood
Top 3 HBO dramas?
I think it’s broken as I was able to select more than 3.
Also I haven’t seen many of them so probably shouldn’t be able to vote for them.
Top 3 HBO comedies?
the sopranos and the wire should be givens!
ATTEMPT NO. 2
Top 3 HBO dramas?
State of that opening poll
SHOULD be. But ARE they??
think we’ve done it before but if you had to pick one:
No surprise to see you go Sopranos and me go Wire, frankly.
i used to be a wirer, but then i saw the light
I respect the fact that The Sopranos is the only ‘peak TV’ that still respects the standalone episode format but ultimately too much of it is the same (and generally unpleasantly like violence porn) for me to put it above The Wire. And also I do fundamentally prefer modern arc-based TV where each episode is part of a longform story.
what are you on about theo! the sopranos has series arcs and basically invented them in the way that the wire followed. it started out poor and the violence early on was cartoonish and a bit tasteless but they were inventing the format as they went and it got much better and more complicated over time.
plus: the sopranos ended perfectly whereas the wire should have stopped after season 4.
The Sopranos has arcs sure but it doesn’t run the season like it does in more current stuff. You get a few episodes at the start that setup the arc and then at the end it will tie back.
In between you get episodes that are never referred to again, specifically in classic TV style where a character will seek to change their lives and do something different but by the end they will have been set back and give up and go back to how they were. It works because the writing and characters are so strong.
Also it obviously gets points docked for those fucking dream episodes
It’s not that the violence is cartoonish, tbh. I found it was the later seasons that were tougher with a lot of the very male gaze side of it and violence, particularly with Joe-Pants-off-of-The-Matrix-and-The-Fugitive and the woman. That’s not to say I think that violence shouldn’t be there, it’s more about how it prevents me from being a 100% full “I HEART THE SOPRANOS” sort of guy.
Still think Boardwalk Empire was massively underrated.
Also think it lends itself to repeat viewing much more than The Wire or the Sopranos.
Nah, The Wire’s ending was also perfect. There’s just a series worth of (mostly) guff before it gets to it.
but like look at the wire’s plotting now, it seems very dated to me. ooh this season is all about X subject, next season is about something else. they’re very self-contained in their own ways which seems quite simplistic. heard david simon talking about how they talked about doing a season 6 to focus on the latino population of baltimore. where was that in the rest of the show?
there are bad standalone episodes, sure (adriana’s stint in the music industry ) but most of the seasons hang together in a coherent way.
yeah can’t defend kevin finnerty. hated that shit. david lynch he aint.
Really liked Boardwalk, but feel it went on half a season too long.
i feel like they wrecked mcnulty’s character before season 5 even started so it couldn’t really have the impact it wanted for me. wasn’t a fan of the self-referential david simon character either.
I don’t ask for a cross-season plot. That’s a movement beyond. The Wire is old too and I wasn’t really denying that, but I don’t think the episodes make much sense on their own, they are part of a whole plot.
Equally I don’t think they’re as self-contained as you make out. All through Season 2 we slow burn the strands left over from Season 1 and then Season 3 is finishing off that ‘arc’. Season 4 definitely does feel like a change but we still see the same characters coming back and we see Prez learning about stuff he didn’t consider as a cop. Season 5 isn’t that strong but I think the ending is, it gives us an ending we deserve even if it’s a bit of a fudge in terms of likelihood.
Yeah the whole newsroom arc was the most one dimensional part of the whole show and it really jarred. I really loved the way the younger characters slipped into the roles vacated by the older guys though. The cycle continues. It was perhaps a little too neat but I found it really affecting, especially considering I’d had my head in my hands for most of the series.