Shit. Um, so, nice gams you’ve got their saps.

Thanks, I thought you were never going to say.

I like the way your…erm…you know…the way your…what do you call that bit?

(Flirting novices take note.)

Please, please no-one listen to anything any kind of pickup artist (or similar “gaming dating” type advice or Evan Mark Katz and his ilk) say, ever. It will just make people think you’re an insecure scumbag.

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Thanks… I have to go now.

Listening to that Russell Brand podcast, he said that Nick something guy who wrote ‘the game’ has written another book advising people not to do it saying it ruined his life and turned him into a sex addict and made him really depressed!

Sadly those ideas seem to have sneaked in everywhere. I pretty much gave up on internet dating after constantly receiving sly little put-downs even on a first date from men who had seemed totally normal.

Like I’d turned into some sort of enemy/symbol of their own insecurity to be defeated by making me feel bad about my weight/appearance/hair colour/eye colour/inability to be a Victoria’s Secret model, rather than a real person to have a nice time with.

I guess it’s just not approaching it as thinking you’re flirting or chatting someone up? I mean sounds kind of weird, and I’m naturally a huge flirt so it’s different, but for the most part I’d say just trying to start a conversation about anything you would to anyone is as good a place as any other ‘flirting’ or ‘chat up’ it’s more about body language, which will naturally adjust if you’re interested.

I don’t know, maybe this is massively unhelpful. I guess I just see you as an interesting person and feel like if you just approached it like you would a conversation with people you knew then the flirty stuff would come naturally after the ice was broken. Sorry if not a help though.

Some random dude negging me* once made me ugly cry right in the middle of the pub just because he took it too far and got just too personal. Needless to say it did not work as a pick up move. This was a few years back, now I’m not afraid to be a bitch to any dude I’ve just met who makes rude comments on my weight, clothes, hair etc. I now point out their insecurities to them in return. C’mon punk make my day …

*is it negging me? negging to me? negging at me? Do bros care about grammar?

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I can’t answer, I can’t answer that.

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I’ve got hazel eyes, and a favourite is to go on about how much they like blue eyes I guess to make me feel lesser. I mentioned it to a blue eyed female friend and she said that she had never received a single compliment about having blue eyes.

I guess blue eyes are only important when talking to people who don’t have them.

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Also I hope that man falls into a deep pit.

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I prefer to imagine that he ended being ripped limb from limb by a pitchfork-waving mob of angry women he’s insulted …

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I can’t imagine I will ever have any romantic interest again but sometimes I get curious if there’s any way to offset being a massive loser. Think sometimes it’s best to just accept and make peace with your fate though.

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You’ve already got an advantage over the guy whose chat up attempts make women cry and hope he gets chased by a mob with pitchforks.

^absolutely right

working to improve communication skills will benefit anyone in every area of their life and working to be more confident will do too

you wanna get promoted? you want people to want to be your friend? you want people to fancy you? improve your communication skills (doing so will in itself improve your confidence, improving your confidence will in itself improve your communication skills)

tying everything together means that you are actually genuinely confident and comfortable with yourself on a deep level and that this comes across in positive, healthy and enjoyable interactions with all people, some of which will probably involve flirting

negging/the pickup scene doesn’t give people this, leading to what _em said

…being an insecure scumbag who has no interest in actually connecting with people on a human level

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not sure that would be true, I imagine he has a job/car/own house.

Reporting in, single as ever :information_desk_person:

Car/house/money can’t stop all the women you’ve insulted hating you.

Honestly lots of the biggest losers around have plenty of money and material things, and fool themselves into thinking it will cover for their terrible personality and inability to treat other people with kindness. (hint- it doesn’t).

Get out of our secret clubhouse/thread @elthamsmateowen and other non-single people please