According to google, we’re talking ā€œto be desired or approved ofā€. Lots of facets to that. I think the whole point of aggregating personal scores is to make something external to one person’s attachment though?We are of course all sadlads at heart.

Yeah generally I’ve been scoring everyone with an eye to influence, originality, longevity etc etc but hard to entirely separate personal affection from all that. That’s why the post-100 reranking will be interesting.

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And frankly there are loads of worse rankings up there than Bright Eyes

Yeah chosen mine pretty much all based on personal connection with the artist. Otherwise it just feels like another Channel 4 top 100 artists of all time. Sure, The Beatles are probably more ā€˜good’ than LCD Soundsystem but :man_shrugging:
Although the influence, originality etc that influences their place in the canon has consciously/subconsciously also had an impact on that connection to some degree.

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Bright Eyes are better than Beyonce, Bob Marley and The Ramones is it

TBH I think they are!

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I don’t think we can separate personal affection from this and rank only on objective terms. Take influence as an example - ultimately, a given artist has had a certain amount of influence on the artists that follow in their wake (e.g. The Beatles - tons of influence, Blink 182 - less so). Us ranking an artist based on their ā€˜influence’ is entirely derived from one’s knowledge and perception of how much influence they actually had, i.e. subjectivity has crept in again. It means many people will rank artists ā€˜incorrectly’, because their knowledge is incomplete or their judgement clouded by personal opinion. Obviously influence isn’t the only thing that determines ā€œhow goodā€ an artist is, but other factors will suffer from similar issues.

TL;DR: ranking artists based on personal affection is fine, and Bright Eyes are better than The Ramones :wink:

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Absolutely but then aggregating all our personal takes on it should level it out somewhat, but then I guess acts like Beastie Boys or Bright Eyes doing better than expected refines us as a group of people

Yep, and I think that’s fine. We don’t expect Wire’s top 100 artists list to look the same as Q’s. TBH I think it’s also nice to see a list with surprises in it, rather than the usual parade of Beatles/Stones/Dylan/Young/Kinks etc.

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That’s a supergroup I totally missed out on.

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5,1,1, and 1 respectively

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That’s a really good point about influence and something I’ve been wanting to articulate for a long time. Taking my favorite band for instance, most people don’t realize or acknowledge the amount of influence The Smashing Pumpkins have had on some of the best music of the past 20 years, the last decade especially (Alcest and Deafheaven being notable examples). They think of them as nothing more than a 90s alt-rock singles band and aren’t aware of the scope of their material.

Taking it a step further, certain bands who have actually been very influential aren’t considered so because either a) the music they play isn’t cool, b) the music they influenced isn’t cool, or c) the music they influenced is shit. As examples, Blink 182 fits all three of these, and Nirvana fits c (edit - Nirvana also has influenced some great music, but I’ve seen them get knocked down by people for influencing a lot of garbage).

Sometimes a band’s not being very good can lead them to being more influential than a better band too. Like if a new artist hears something and thinks ā€œthere’s something here but they didn’t do it very well, I could do this better.ā€

Overall I strongly believe that influence isn’t necessarily an indicator of the quality of a band. There are plenty of shit bands who were influential and there are plenty of amazing bands who haven’t been (or who haven’t been given the opportunity to be). So much of influence has to do with outside factors that have little or nothing to do with the quality of the music.

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This post got me thinking - I’m not sure how realistic it is, or if it would make things harder or easier, but what if everyone had X amount of points to give out to up to 20 artists in any way they see fit? It could be a good way to see which artists tend to generate the most passion too, if an additional sort on highest vote is done. Just an idea, feel free to ignore.

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I think it needs to be as simple as possible to maximise participation tbh, hence the 20-1 points system.

No problem. (And we all know why I was suggesting it anyway.)

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I don’t understand how the participation would be any different for 20-1 points, 30-11 points or 40-21 points.
for all of them, people would just be ranking favourites 1-20 and then someone else adds up the points.
all 3 ways are as simple as each other for the participants- 1-20.

I’m really not sure why 1-20 isn’t sufficient. It’s exactly the same as 11-30 but starting on 11 or 21 just seems a bit weird.

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Gonna have to watch this again now, cheers!

someone ranks artist a 1st and doesn’t rank artist b in the top 20. 19 other people don’t rank artist a in the top 20 and rank artist b 20th.
under your system artist a gets 20 points and artist b gets 19 points.
under my preferred system artist a gets 40 points and artist b gets 399 points.
these two outcomes are not exactly the same.

that’s some jump for artist b in your system there

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