#463

Yeah even though Lennon engaged in that sort of thing himself Iā€™ve always thought Run For Your Life is too deliberately over the top to be earnest and really more of a murder ballad type thing - I guess itā€™s still uncomfortable hearing it from someone like him but I donā€™t think itā€™s a ā€˜the mask has slippedā€™ moment

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#464

thanks :slight_smile:

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#465

Deserves at least a 4 for the song Atlantic City tbh.

#466

Need to round the Big Dogs up to 6 and have Joni and Paul Simon in there.

Gonna retract my vote because Joniā€™s not there.

#467

You know that Lennon lifted that line (ā€œIā€™d rather see you deadā€¦ā€) wholesale from an Elvis song, right?

#468

thread seems a bit too genial tbh, so i would like to ask a question. why is bruce springsteen writing about working class experience while being a millionaire fine, but beyonce promoting working class POC like the black panthers while being rich makes her a hypocrite. and in fact led to a bit of a struggle sesh in her thread. what could be the difference. it is a mystery.

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#469

Was more than one poster saying this?

#470

it doesnā€™t really matter, because either way her thread got derailed while bruceā€™s is bobbing along just fine and is mostly full of praise/cautious ā€œnot for meā€ stuff at worst, so imo itā€™s unfair to the beyonce fans here, idk leaves a bad taste in the mouth

#471

Every one of these threads got derailed on exactly the same lines for weeks tbf. Not that that makes it OK but it wasnā€™t beyonce specific and itā€™s better that it has now stopped

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#472

I donā€™t think that raking it up is going to be any help to either thread

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#473

. Bruce shouldnā€™t be a millionaire, makes him a dickhead as a person
. All pop music is shit and I donā€™t respect people who donā€™t write their own songs or play instruments

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#474

thatā€™s true, and i like both BS and BK just fine, but thereā€™s been no talk of problematic class tourism re bruce afaik so far, whereas the criticism of beyonce was very much about how her being rich and whatever meant she couldnā€™t speak to a certain experience of poverty/class/race.

(this is the only thread iā€™m going to cause a mild fuss in, donā€™t worry, iā€™m just peeved on behalf of our bey fans)

#475

People apply different standards to things they like

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#476

nobody writes their own songs because producers alone supply loads of suggested changes and stuff like that during the recording process, and bruce has a team of people sitting in as session musicians who come up with parts he gets the credit for, itā€™s a bollocks argument is that

(again i like both just fine, we just need to establish this)

#477

Popstars are akin to actors, they have their lines written for them and then perform them, you donā€™t credit the actor with the story.

Plenty of people write the vast majority of their own material and only allow minimal changes to melody, structure, lyrical content etc

#478

Please donā€™t generalise when you know it was literally one person making those arguments in that thread. Itā€™s a bit disingenuous

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#479

also his lyrics have in the past been vague enough that his songs have been co-opted by republican hardliners in america whereas you wonā€™t find pro-life activists using ā€œindependent womanā€ or something as entrance music for their convention speeches. kinda seems like he could use a songwriting team to clarify his ideas imo.

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#480

right iā€™m done anyway

#481

that ā€œring on itā€ song supports the patriarchy

#482

the ghost of tom joad promotes drug use among the clergy