I used to think I hated R&B.
What a dickhead I was.

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In my mind, someone like Nao would be a good example of someone with the potential for that crossover appeal but the assigned genre label prevents that from happening.

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We’ve all been dickheads at some point Gnomey x

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I only started listening to CRJ a couple of months ago, based on some very excitable threads on here.
I don’t enjoy that many mainstream pop artists nowadays, mostly due to not being a big fan of the amount of the heavily autotuned/vocoder stuff that seems prevalent and I’m also not much of a fan of R&B.
CRJ is more in the line of Classic Pop I grew up with.

It’s a 4 from me.

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Emotion had just come out as I’d started going to gay clubs and finding my feet with my identity in college. Proper grinning now thinking of the formative dances I had to her

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Ok folks I’ve had a word with Sean and he’s agreed that anyone using the word ‘counteract’ from now on will be fired from a cannon.

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very broad generalisation:
the kind of pop music that tends to get celebrated in indie circles tends to be more uplifting instant bangers with electro-pop production in the madonna mould which white pop acts are more likely to make, rather than stuff by black artists which sometimes has more emphasis on vocal harmonies & R&B production and with more slow jams and ballads. think paaart of the reason why Mariah and Whitney were quite harshly judged on here is that they were critiqued through the lens of the former rather than the latter

pre-empting defensive responses: not accusing anyone of being racist, some of the criticisms of those artists were legitimate and people are perfectly entitled not to like them

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This is a brilliant post Shrewbs. Very good point.

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ariana grande seems to bridge both rnb and electro pop really well, should give her more of a go

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Really want to like ariana Grande because of these things and that she seems a really good person but her voice is absolute nails on a blackboard for me

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People ITT talking about how her fans are rock bores who don’t listen to any other pop are just grassing on their own social circles because I promise you that is NOT her fanbase lmao

5! A bit massive thicc 5! I love her so much, how is everything she does so good? Honestly, she deserves to be at the top of the HGATR list from her consistency alone. Her music always makes me feel so exuberant and joyful, it’s just so infectious. She’s like a modern day Whitney Houston. Truly one of the greats.

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Her last album is very great IMO

(Also, Problem was one of the best songs of the decade IMO)

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K.T.S.E is an absolute gem for that production sweet spot of pop, R&B, hip hop sample driven stuff and it’s the best thing Kanye’s been involved in since yeezus (alongside daytona)

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Can’t wait for the Ariana HGATR, pumped to defend my queen

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Jook? More like ROOK! (the chess piece)

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The processing on her voice on Emotion sets off what ever the audio equivalent of the uncanny valley with me.

Only heard ‘call me maybe’ and like it but I’ll abstain.

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Hi Ant, very good joke

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There is a reason Gaga’s Born This Way resonated so much with her LGBT fanbase (and still held up by them as her magnum opus) and that’s in how earnest it was, it wasn’t afraid to increase the camp theatrics tenfold, it wasn’t afraid to be corny - and what better way to tell your audience to be themselves than to push against so many of the musical restrictions that top 40 pop music faces. You have the house-mariachi blend of Americano and the industrial-synthpop of Government Hooker, no major label was attempting anything like it at the time and no one has attempted it since (probably for good reason).

My favourite write up comes from Popjustice’s end of year review where he crowned it his album of the year, comparing it this picture.

The hat is far too big to even get in the door. It must be four feet wide. The situation is absurd. The personal assistant helping Gaga into the car must know that the hat is too big. Why hasn’t the personal assistant said anything? The driver is probably well aware of what is going on. He’s looking the other way. Does Gaga just expect the car to somehow get bigger, to accommodate the hat? Maybe Gaga knows the hat’s too big. Will she admit that she knows? Probably not.

As an album, ‘Born This Way’ was the sound of someone trying to force a massive hat into a tiny car. It is a sprawling, ambitious album that shouted to be heard when everyone was already listening, but no other album in 2011 tried quite this hard to be amazing and no other album succeeded in as many ways.

An artist whose next album wasn’t on course for multiplatinum success regardless of its contents would probably have felt the full force of a major label A&R man’s conservative intervention. To an artist whose future was uncertain, the man at the label would have said, ‘don’t use these pretty inexperienced producers for the bulk of the album’. They would have said, ‘do you know what, that whole gay thing for the first single isn’t quite right, perhaps it could be a bonus track in Belgium’. They would have said, ‘there is too much happening here. You have too many ideas. Take some ideas out’. But Gaga wanted to get that hat in the car and, because she seemed like the biggest popstar in the world, nobody wanted to stop her.

Thank fuck for that.

It’s not my favourite album of hers, and I understand any criticism about the songwriting but to write it off as by the numbers is a huge, huge disservice. After all, the backlash from this album for being too out there for the public is the reason she’s appears much more toned down than she did a decade ago. Seeing how low she scored on HGATR really bums me out.

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