🎵 How Good Are They Really 🎵 Cocteau Twins

[Pigeon8]

Both 5/5 without question

[Severed799]

White Men are the worst tbf

[Avery]

If the majority of people can’t question the majority of people then I’m not sure what hope there is.

Also that’s a simplistic defensive misunderstanding of the point. Sweet dreams, pal.

[Raanraals]

@Avery

You’re missing out on both Cocteaus

There were three of them!

[FontaineYouGotaSon]

Shed Club 7

[Fluffytufts]

Indeed, this thread degenerated v quickly into a pointless tussle over tummy fluff, losing sight of transcendent magnificence of the feckin band.

It’s a travesty, mate, a travesty…

[maggieloveshopey]

Flicking idly through the latest Uncut at the breakfast table, and what do I find…

[Gorkys_Forever]

ahem

How Good Are They Really Cocteau Twins

Better than the LP version with the faster tempo I reckon Just awesome: [Cocteau Twins - Wax And Wane (De Meervaart, Amsterdam 29th January 1983) [Soundboard Sync]]

[wikihock]

@Tiergarten

like listening back to a dream that you’ve just woken up from, whilst the memory of it is still relatively fresh, even though the specifics are starting to elude you.

this is lovely and true.

[Yvash]

The last page is unfortunately too blurry to read, but from the other two pages, it’s fascinating to me that Guthrie shits on Treasure so much and lauds Victorialand. As this thread has shown Treasure is widely considered to be their best, and yet Guthrie considers it ‘unfinished’ and prefers the album that actually does sound unfinished; Raymonde’s absence is keenly felt.

[bornin69x]

It’s a bit like the fact that the only thing all four of The Smiths agree on nowadays is that Strangeways was their best album by far. Musicians are often poor judges of their own material. I suppose that it is next to impossible for them to disentangle the work from all of the associations that they will have with it arising from whatever was going on in their lives when they made it.

[Icarus-Smicarus]

@bornin69x

It’s a bit like the fact that the only thing all four of The Smiths agree on nowadays is that Strangeways was their best album by far.

they’re right tbf

[bornin69x]

There’s always one

[maggieloveshopey]

I had another go at the last page

[ttf]

who is on the cover of this issue? might try and get it

[maggieloveshopey]

Neil Young (again)

[JohnM]

@bornin69x

I suppose that it is next to impossible for them to disentangle the work from all of the associations that they will have with it arising from whatever was going on in their lives when they made it.

Wouldn’t that make Strangeways… the worst Smiths album from the band members’ perspective then?

[bornin69x]

I think they enjoyed making it because they produced it entirely themselves without interference. The major failings out happened a little later. It’s the best sounding Smiths record, it just doesn’t have the best songs

[JohnM]

Oh, that’s interesting. I thought 1987 was not a good time to be in the Smiths

I remember an NME interview with Johnny Marr in the 90s where the interviewer said something like “the tension between you and Morrissey is almost audible on Strangeways” and Marr pretty much agreed with him. Although he did also say something like his best times in the Smiths were all in the studio as he much preferred recording to touring

[bornin69x]

I wouldn’t want to say it was tension free, but the impression I get is that they were pretty happy together in the studio - it was everything else that was a problem.