šŸŽµ How Good Are They Really šŸŽµ Converge

Wow. How I’ve waited for this thread!

Haven’t finished my breakfast but fuck it I’m going for an epic post!

There are four main things I love about Converge. The first thing is that they are the perfect fusion of passion and technicality. Punk and Hardcore playing can be sloppy but can make up for it in passion and delivery (Ramones and Black Flag, for example), whereas metal can often be very technically impressive but soulless or mechanical (Meshuggah for example). Converge’s songs consistently fuse together metal and punk to create music packed with ridiculously tight performances but never at the expense of raw-throated passion and playing.

That’s what makes a song that’s as direct as Last Light really work. On paper, the lyrics read like the something most of us have scrawled in a notebook. However, the way they are delivered over the staggeringly tight arrangement and playing, with complete commitment and huge production leaves you no doubt- Converge mean this. It hits an emotional spot few other bands can, heavy or otherwise.

ā€œI need a purpose and i need a reason
I need to know that there is trophy and meaning
To all that we lose and all we fight for
To all our loves and our warsā€

The second reason I love them is the sheer amount of amazing music they have helped to create. Their guitarist, Kurt Ballou, has a production style which is a modern heavy update of Steve Albini’s ā€œcarefully-placed microphones-in-a-live-roomā€ production. It means every Converge record sounds huge and detailed. It may be overly familiar nowadays, but there’s no doubting how its proficiency and power. Here’s just some of the bloody brilliant albums Ballou’s produced:

  • Cave In- Until Your Heart Stops
  • Cursed- I
  • Kvelertak’s S/T and Meir
  • Most, if not all, of Trap Them’s releases
  • Nails- Abandon All Life
  • The Armed- Untitled (on which Ben Koller also played).
  • Dillinger Escape Plan- Dissociation

Ben Koller is also an absolute machine on the drums. Yes, he can be insanely technical, but he’s always grounded, pushing the songs forwards. It’s more like a heavy update of Grohl’s playing on Nevermind. That means Converge albums are always fun to listen to again and again for me, because there’s so many compositional details to catch. His work in Mutoid Man and The Armed is also impeccable. The dude loves what he does and is great at it.

The third is that like Fugazi, they’ve never stopped pushing. Converge’s discography can basically be split into two at Jane Doe (and may again be split at Blood Moon). Jane Doe is rightly held as a masterpiece, but it’s quite distinct to anything else they did. It has a wall-of-sound twin guitar attack that was difficult to replicate, especially after Dalbec (their second guitarist) left following its release. Bannon also adopted an approach on lyrics that he would never do again- raw, impressionistic delivery (with no set lyrics) as a mirror to the emotional confusion of breakup.

However, for all its brain and heart, its pulse is to get you screaming along in the mosh-pit. The 1:54 of Fault and Fracture still makes me want to tear shit up:

However, the second half of Jane Doe changes shape to become something more ambitious and abstract, culminating in the awesome self-titled track. It’s a skyscraping melodic epic I think very few heavy bands have come close to:

After Jane Doe, they basically became an intensely focused four-piece. I guess they realised they would never make anything as unique again so they focused on their strengths and rebuilt. Their first four-piece album, You Fail Me is wonderful, but you should get the Redux version, not the original mix. Lots more groove, space and experimentation is starting to creep in with the usual rippers.

Even when they have made slightly weaker releases, they still kick so much ass. The first fifteen minutes of No Heroes are utterly awesome, even if the rest doesn’t quite live up to it.

However, the fourth reason I love them is that Dusk in Us and All We Love… are both late-career masterpieces that bring space and groove along with the usual Converge brilliance. I’ve gone with All We Love… as I find its their most enjoyable and approachable record, and the title track carries a real punch.

I could go on and on, but really, I should get on with my day, so I’ll just leave you with some highlights from Jane Doe onwards:

The ā€œMy Warā€ sludge of You Fail Me:

It’s a bit of a Slayer tribute, but it’s a bloody tight one. The mid-section is killer.

I love how they’re managed to add melody to their sound whilst still being really fierce and gut-punching. Here’s a good demonstration:

If you don’t usually like Bannon’s vocals (and they are definitely an acquired taste), the atmospheric centrepiece of The Dusk In Us might be the ticket.

Finally, I would say that you shouldn’t start with Jane Doe. It’s very extreme and might put you off. Start with Dusk In Us or All We Love… and if you like those, anything post Jane Doe is at least interesting.

5 out of fucking 5.

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this isn’t an accident though is it, it’s exactly what they’re going for.

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Yes, I agree, instrumentally at least. They aim for an overwhelming technical onslaught and they do it brilliantly, but Jens is the wildcard. I enjoy Meshuggah the most when Jens’s furious vocal delivery merges with that onslaught to lend that technicality a punky edge.

I do love Meshuggah’s music and they are utterly pioneering and do what they set out to do (another nailed-on 5/5). The point I was making is that what I find so enjoyable about Converge is their consistent combination of hardcore punk passion and metal technicality.

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CONVERGE CONVERGE CONVERGE!
what a treat, thank you @Funkhouser

I’m absolutely hanging so I’m not going to listen to Jane Doe right now but I’ll post some proper thoughts later.

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jane doe and you fail me are by far the best of that kind of music there is

(I’d pick both of them over e.g we are the romans or calculating infinity, which are both obviously great albums)

don’t really keep up with converge any more, but whenever I do listen to later stuff it seems to me still head and shoulders over anything roughly similar by anyone else. I suppose that could be because I am out of touch

I disagree! Start with the best (actually second best in my opinion, I like you fail me me more), if you don’t like it you are wrong!

The greatest interpolation of the Inspector Gadget theme tune

Solid 4 for me, Clive

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they were really bad last time I saw them so they are firmly on the ā€œonly seeing them if they have good supportsā€ list.

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The Armed basically is Kurt Ballou

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Listened to a few tracks. Bit heavy for me, but the production sounds pretty good. Can’t make out any of the lyrics.

2/5.

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Fantastic post, agree about the opening run of No Heroes being amazing and redux version of You Fail Me being much better, especially as it includes Wolves At My Door

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Bloodmoon is brilliant you mad man :smiley:

(Think this track is quite a good place to start actually, even if it’s fairly atypical but it gives a good idea)

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too much actual singing on this, imo

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Probably one of, if not the most unique vocals and delivery in music. Sounds like he’s vomiting up fire.

4/5. I enjoy You Fail Me, Jane Doe and loved Axe To Fall a lot, especially the 2 slow ones at the end - wretched world and whatever the other one is. Reviewed it for an old metal website i wrote for and said they were the best 2 tracks in my review.

Ben Koller is fab, love him with Mutoid Man (5/5)

Also, Drumcorps do a sick remix of saddest day which is 1 minute long.

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Oh, also, i remember being a complete prick in my uni house when i came home from the pub once, proper leathered and put Homewrecker on full blast. Yeah, housemates weren’t happy. We were going through a difficult period as a group, and 1am Converge didn’t help.

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I agree they’re likely the best, but Until Your Heart Stops is certainly up there with them.

Ben Koller drummed on Only Love, the 2nd to last album, but that’s also killer. He was definitely involved with Ultrapop but I don’t know to what extent.

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never really liked cave in that much at all, can see why other people do but none of their stuff clicked for me.

Maybe I should try again!

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If you like the albums you’ve stated in your post, then Until Your Heart Stops is basically right up the same street.

Crazy riffs, chaotic arrangements on the verge of falling apart, punky playing, weird bursts of noise and sometimes beautiful psychedelic bits- if that sounds like your thing, UYHS is phenomenal.

Put this in your ears and see what you think!

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Oh my word funky actually finally did it, merry jubilee everyone, a massive 5, obviously)

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