🎵 How Good Are They Really 🎵 Joy Division

or as the saying goes, “if you like your words sung, go with Young; if there’s pages a-fillin’, go with Dylan”

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Bit of a broad stroke but I meant generally in pushing for new and unusual sounds. Dylan “going electric” etc was no doubt an experiment for him at the time but a lot of his decisions are about venerating and tweaking his influences and roots, whereas NY was a lot about making new forms of rock n roll.

They’re classic ‘baby boomer’ artists (although Dylan is a little old to technically be a baby boomer himself). I don’t mean that to be a critical at all - it’s just a fact of demographics. Lots of people from that generation (in the West at least) would have Harvest, After the Goldrush, Blonde on Blonde and Bringing it All Back Home in the house.

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I think the idea of cast iron demographics in the internet age is pretty funny tbh

This whole discussion was started by me expressing surprise at some of the marking in these polls and the standard answer was that it was a product of the ‘demographics’ of DiSers - I’ve just been arguing that this doesn’t seem to make any sense when considered in the context of Dylan and Young. There’s no meaningful difference between them in those terms (although there are lots of other differences of course).

I can go with that. And Dylan’s recent material is basically a jukebox of songs that sound like they’ve been around since before he was born. It’s almost funny, much as I love the guy.

I don’t think demographics are irrelevant either - my guess is that for a fair number of DiSers Dylan and Young represent the music of their parents and that has an effect on how you see those artists (regardless of how readily available music from all eras is now - which obviously does make a difference).

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I know, that’s why I was trying to give some more tangible (I think) musical differences fwiw

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Totally this. The vast majority of people used to own a handful of records and you could pretty much work out their age on that collection or guess 80% of their collection based on age. A few years younger they’d have Tapestry and Sweet Baby James, a bit younger than that Abba & Fleetwood Mac.

Probably started to blur with CDs and now a total irrelevance to streaming generations but it still shapes how many people think about artists and how the get written about I think.

Holy shit 4.15 wow, shocker here. Sorry missed this one, good band but severely high ranking for limited releases imo. At this rate Traveling Wilbury’s surely a 4.5 then no?

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No.

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All right 4.49 touche

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I find it astonishing that songs as great as ‘Atmosphere’ & ‘Dead Souls’ were chucked away on a very limited Belgian single. Mental.

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I think JD have an almost uniquely revered status in the UK, wouldn’t have been surprised if they’d scored higher tbh.

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He sure did love Belgium eh

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Really enjoyed this, shows how fantastic Martin Hannet was

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Late reply but you can’t use ‘limited releases’ as an argument against a band whose singer died marginally over a year after their debut album, didn’t include their singles on their albums, left more classic material like Ceremony, In A Lonely Place, etc etc

Sure i can.

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David Holmes did a rework of In a Lonely Place. Coming out on Andrew Weatherall’s anniversary

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