#358

Good life is one of the best songs too.

#359

Bound 2 is a fucking great song.

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#360

Gonna make a playlist of my favourites

#361

The state hip-hop was in before Kanye compared to how good it is now will be his defining legacy I hope.

#362

Hmm. Commercial hip hop perhaps.

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#363

Wasn’t aimed at you. Flirting with the far right is the best way to describe what they both did

#364

not on board with this take, sorry

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#365

Yeah I should have said that tbf. Madvillainy came out the same year as college dropout so its safe to say underground hip-hop was in a good place. Commercial hip-hop went from being all about money, violence and guns to a more experimental style in production and a more spoken word style lyrically that I think Kanye can take a lot of credit for

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#366

Cold Vein was released 3 years before too. Apologies for how hot my initial take was

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#367

Yeah - agree with that. And don’t forget Kanye actually wanted to sign to Rawkus initially and modelled a lot of what he did on people like Talib Kweli. I remember his tagline was “I’m here to unite the jiggy people and the backpackers” or something?

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#368

I mean… whilst Kanye is a 10/10 artist I’d struggle to entertain any argument against hip-hop & rap peaking from 1990-1997.

Worth noting Kanye’s own admission as to how ATCQ influenced him and Q-Tip was dropping esoteric nuanced conscious intelligent raps a long time before 'Ye

I do appreciate a take so hot it still has steam coming off it though

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#369

Haha no I completely agree! I meant the state commercial hip-hop was in during the early 00’s. I am not saying that Kanye was better that everything in the 90’s. Hip-Hop was in a very healthy state then of course

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#370

Been listening to MBDTF to once again try to see what I’m missing and… nope.

Think I’ve tried about 20 times over the years and it just sounds like an absolute overblown mess of a record to me. Some of the production/sample choices are actively unpleasant to my ears (e.g. the guitar riff on ‘Gorgeous’).

Think I’m just going to have to accept that he’ll just be one of those artists whose music just doesn’t ever really click for me. Ah well.

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#371

His politics are shit, but he has 3 or 4 essential records, has prodction credits in some of the best hip hop records in history outside of his own and is one of the biggest and influential artists in music… ever.

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#372

I like hip hop that’s about money violence and guns

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#373

:thinking:

#374

don’t want to “I suggest you listen to their entire discography” you but… yeah, that album isn’t necessarily representative of his wider work. I mean, it’s overblown by design I think. that’s not to say you’ll click more with anything else he’s done of course

#375

He’s simultaneously a 1,2,3,4 & 5 I think.

Loved Late Registration, Late Orchestration (I think?), College Dropout (I think?), MBDTF and production on the Jay Z albums, but then drifted away from him due to slathering everything in autotune and the general obnoxiousness.

Listening through to 808s now for the first time - would like it a lot more without the aforementioned autotuned vocals.

Dunno on the score yet - will listen to some other records of his I haven’t heard first.

#376

I like hip hop about Naruto and anime

Lupe has a line in his verse about anime in touc the sky iirc

#377

Nop it was a manga reference