#221

it was a joke. Humour lost without emojis I guess.

#222

I, for one, welcome our new emoji overlords.

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#223

Should everyone post ā€˜in my opinion x band are shiteā€™?

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#224

That is some next level, bending over backwards pedantry there :grin:

He very clearly stated why he thinks theyā€™re shite. It was also very clear that it was his opinion. But hey, itā€™s clear youā€™ve made up your mind and your not shifting, so yeah, I should probably stop wasting my time.

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#225

Do you think Mogwai asked for permission first when they wrote ā€œBlur: are shiteā€

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#226

I thought weā€™d got past the whole ā€œexpressing opinions about how good a band are in the how good are they really threadsā€, clearly not

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#227

Iā€™ve come to the conclusion itā€™s definitely a bit.

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#228

For someone who doesnā€™t believe you should say a band is shit, he sure does say a band is shit quite a lot

https://community.drownedinsound.com/search?context=topic&context_id=57969&q=@Richie_ronco%20shit%20%23music&skip_context=true

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#229

any chance you could leave me alone and stop please?

#230

If you put it out there you have to expect people will come back at you. But yes, I will not respond to you again in this thread.

#231

Everyone has their own moral compass and can make their own decisions. As Iā€™ve said, in the vast majority of cases Iā€™m completely able to separate the art from the artist and Iā€™m happy to leave it that way. What depressed me about the original comment I was responding to was the poster saying that he always wanted to listen to The Fall but was now not going to because of this thread. Each to their own but I think thatā€™s a shame.

I always get depressed when these threads descend to people arguing about the morals of the artist. I donā€™t want to stop people talking about what they want but I do think itā€™s a dead end. I wouldnā€™t want to deny the importance of the topic but I just think itā€™s a shame when it completely takes over a HGATR thread (and these are usually my favourite threads on here).

You put your finger on the problem when you talk about the seriousness of MESā€™s bad behaviour. Iā€™m not defending him personally but, considering the matter more broadly, who decides what is too serious? In the end I think it leads either to a bunch of music fans not being able to talk about music made by anyone who has lived a less than perfect life or alternatively to us spending hours trying to come up with some precisely delineated table of offensiveness so we can draw a definite line on it and all agree who is beyond the pale.

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#232

No one decides what is serious but the individual. Some people are fine listening to him after what he did, other arenā€™t. This isnā€™t some grand conspiracy to stop people listening to music others like.

Personally, I feel incredibly uncomfortable listening to music by known offenders. Even if itā€™s someone I really like. I was a fan of R. Kelly growing up and around the time My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky, I got into Swans big time too. Havenā€™t been able to listen to either since everything came out about both of them and I havenā€™t missed listening to them either.

Thereā€™s more than enough music in the world.

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#233

People who arenā€™t keen on woman beating probably (including the legal system)

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#234

I get your point about different people having different standards at different times, but this was a specific person saying they didnā€™t want to listen to a specific artist based on the actions of that artist. You ask who gets to consider if itā€™s too serious, at the very least an individual can make that choice, and they must be welcome to bin the artist off as well as decide to press on regardless. I think ā€˜always wanted toā€™ is a leap from ā€˜to listen listā€™. There are so many artists out there, and not listening to one makes room for another. Itā€™s not like theyā€™ve forsaken all music.

The Fall were a band I was interested in listening years back, based on the hype Iā€™d read. With The Fall/MES I think the personal behaviour discussion is particularly relevant, as he is sold as an iconoclastic figure. Actually though, I would argue his actions revealed him to be an unpleasant manifestation of English othodoxy, a bitter man lashing down. His personality is used as a selling point for the music, so itā€™s reasonable imo to lose interest if you consider him rancid.

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#235

On a more general note about the band.
Iā€™ve only really ever checked out 50,000 Fall fans, Hex Enduction hour and Live At the Witch Trials but they just never really clicked for me tbh.
Thereā€™s obviously something there people dig and that all good.
I was unaware of this woman beating and Tory stuff that people have been highlighting and to be honest itā€™s put me off wanting to ever try their music out again.

#236

Mark E Smith orā€¦

Mintendo Entertainment System

#237

1/5

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#238

Actually, nah

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#239

One thing I will never understandā€¦

What the fuck was his problem?

#240

Probably knew they were shite.

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