Do not like the Fall for their shit music. 1/5.

Also do not like Mark E Smith for being a shit person. Would give him 1/5.

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Fair enough. I normally just leave a score if it’s a band I like and tend not to delve into the thread much more than that. I suppose I did call MBV a load of old shite without adding anything else in their thread.

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Pleasantly surprised to see No Bulbs doing so well on the poll

Not on the list but this is probably my favourite

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Also Kurious Orange, one of my favourite Fall tracks.

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Got a Frenz Experiment LP signed by the whole band for £3 or something off eBay about 10 years ago.

Love the story in this one with the dumb Spinal Tap riff underneath

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I can’t really listen to the album version of Athlete Cured as I was so used to this version already which I love. The bass is monstrous

Really? That seems extreme. I mean I’m not a BoC fan personally but can’t imagine I’d call anyone a cunt for not liking the same music as me and of all the bands provoking such an extreme reaction BoC is not a band I’d pick.

I mean I assume this is just your pals messing about but even so…:slightly_smiling_face:

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The Fall almost entirely intersect with my gig going career. I’ve probably seen them more than any other band. Sometimes fabulous and sometimes terrible. They have also had more completely distinct phases than any band in that period. Impossible to pick favourite album or track. Utterly unique.

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i’m scottish, so this might explain why this isn’t a big thing to me :smiley:

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dislikes the music you like = cunt
likes the music you like = cunt (good)

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One thing that doesn’t get mentioned a lot is that while The Fall are perceived as very male, women have played very prominent roles in various eras of the band.

Una Baines co-founded the band and established their early politics, though left quite early on. Kay Carroll’s management was by all accounts essential to their early 80s drive (supposedly MES learned his whole thing of terrifying people into submission from her). Brix’s songwriting shaped a large part of their sound in the mid to late 80s (and again briefly in the mid 90s), rounding off the rough edges into something a little more poppy and accessible but somehow without losing what had made them great to begin with. Julia Nagle spearheaded the late 90s/early 00s electronic direction. Elena was a steady hand in the later years through the last few lineup changes until she left towards the end. Among other contributing members like Yvonne Pawlett and Marcia Schofield.

When I think of other bands I love with high membership turnover (Guided by Voices, the Bad Seeds), they’re almost exclusively male (I know Anita Lane gets a few lyrical credits for the Bad Seeds but she was never an active member).

Not saying this suddenly changes MES’ politics or anything but I think the very male perception they often have is understandable but not necessarily justified

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Idk, when I recount times I’ve been assaulted or harrassed I almost always play it down because women are conditioned to think that maybe it was my fault, maybe it wasn’t all that bad compared to other assaults, maybe he just fancied me but didn’t know how to articulate it (so used violence), or times when you’re being actively assaulted in public, or flashed etc and you stay quiet out of shame or whatever reasons we’re conditioned into accepting what happens. If she downplayed it then that’s exactly what most women would do without realising.

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Opinion on the band itself, none, never really listened based on the people I know that know him and worship him just led me to never want to listen. I feel like I should but meh.

Sidenote: I dated a guy who was in The Fall towards the end without even knowing it until I saw it on Wikipedia a year after we broke up

That pretty much means you were in The Fall as well Scout! amazing.

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Thanks! I’ll autograph this thread for the fans

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seems a bit of an idiot a lot of the time. like i can imagine his opinions on work and class were really boring like loads of old pub men.

good music though

I was mad, and laughed at the same time. The West German
government had brought over large yellow trains on Teeside docks.
In Edinburgh. I stayed on my own for a few days, wandering about
in the, er, pissing rain, before the Queen Mother hit town.

I remember listening to one of Adam Buxton’s podcasts where he was recording the intro backstage at a comedy gig, someone walked past and he was like “hey man, I hear you’ve just joined The Fall”

Reader: it was me!

(Though it was probably the guy that I dated as he ran comedy gigs and podcast festivals and Buxton was one of his first and most regular bookings)

yeah that’s what i was thinking, not very many new people joined towards the end!

Yeah, he’s the last person listed on their wikipedia page in the ‘final members’ section. I didn’t even know he could play any instruments! What a strange secret second life he had, not being one to hide his light under a bushel by any means normally, weird.