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Lenient

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how so? I know those bands got big, but my point was around the NME and what they covered. When ATDI hit the big time they were the most hyped band in the world, NME championed them and started covering more of that kind of music (remember the slightly embarrassing issue they did on EMO), when ATDI split there was a vacuum and they slotted the Strokes into that spot and gave them the full hype treatment and made a scene out of nothing. My theory is if ATDI hadn’t split that Stokes wouldnt have got so much of the spotlight and we would be living in a better timeline. Obviously EMO flourished in that decade too but dont think that was the NME’s doing

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Well what I mean is based on what did happen you’d have just got the NME covering the so called emo revival further that would have happened anyway

yeah, that was my point? that we would have avoided the strokes and libertines stuff

So just have MCR, Paramore, Fall Out Boy and Panic! And an endlesss ream of copycats instead?

Nah I’m good with how things turned out thanks. Like I know what you’re trying to say and yes ATD-I are (or were) an infinitely more interesting band than The Strokes but you’re putting too much faith in the music industry/media to not fuck it up anyway like they have with literally every other counter turned pop culture movement.

dunno how it would have panned out, but dont think those are the bands that would have been lumped in with ATDI. beside my point really which is ATDI were the most hyped band in the world (not just the NME) and suddenly they went and the Strokes were the straws the NME grasped for in their place.

It is not like I am saying the NME would have celebrated a scene around ATDI in the same way they did for the Strokes, in that sense they were quite lucky things went the way they did as they were able to conjure a scene of of nothing around them, but I dont think that opening for hype band would have been there without the ATDI void

Think we might have discussed this before, but the NME has never, ever been this influential, particularly in New York

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I’m talking about the wider garage rock revival not just New York. I disagree about the NME’s influence, they were trendsetters, even if they didn’t have a big readership other gatekeepers took their que from them. In that decade American band breaking in the UK before wider success was the standard model. NME were a key part of that

Like there is no way that scene organically blew up it was entirely manufactured by the mythologising of the uk music press, they’ve done it time and time staining, coining and then dropping genres, this time they proved they could do it with zero substance and almost willed the libertines into existence

No one except John Peel would have cared about the white stripes without the NME, they could literally pluck a band from obscurity and the wider music outlets would hop aboard the hype train

That’s kinda my point though, those bands aren’t like ATD-I but without their and JEW’s success they aren’t given the platform in the first place.

Same logic as how Nirvana have nothing to do with half the bands that came up due to their success

Pretty hard disagree mate. The Strokes were the largest unsigned band in New York for a long time before they got signed. I mean, I stopped reading the NME in about 1992 and I’d heard of them way before their first EP came out. You don’t get major label bidding wars after the release of what is essentially a demo just because a band has a good write up in the NME. Just doesn’t happen.

Likewise the White Stripes were a part of the very healthy garage rock/punk revival scene in the US that had been happening since the early 1990s. They had a very solid US fan base as a part of this scene before the NME ever covered them. They weren’t some obscure band that nobody had heard of.

I’m not saying that coverage in the NME wasn’t helpful for these bands – I’m sure it was – but the idea that it was a kingmaker or could completely manufacture music scenes in other countries in the way you describe isn’t borne out by any facts. Apart from anything else, surely if the NME was capable of conjuring successful music scenes out of thin air, it would still be a going concern and not a weekly online advert for hair care products?

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keep reading ATDI as all-time dog

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It’s hard to disagree with this - if you look at the bands NME really did try to hype out of nothing (hi Terris) it’s no comparison to the White Stripes/Strokes etc.

A shame I missed the vote for this one. Libertines are a weird band, man. I loved the early singles but their second album is so boring. Have not bothered with the third. I think I’d have given them a generous two for a few good singles. Pete is obviously an odious man who has committed some dreadful acts under the guise of whatever bohemian bullshit lifestyle he thinks he’s living.

*staggers into thread, two days too late *

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Perfect.

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The Boy Looked At James

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Its never too late for UTT

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There is literally no way the white stripes would have ascended to the phenomenon they became without considerable hype, they would have had a following but nowhere near that level, the NME were a cog in the hype machine. bands would try and break the UK first to benefit from this hype machine, and courted the NME’s favour because of their influence. Are we denying the music media played a crucial role as gatekeepers? if not, how could the NME not have been a big part of that? what else was there, the music monthly’s, newspapers, cable tv music channels and radio. Personally I don’t remember any indie type bands being championed in other places before the NME, that was their whole brand, getting in their first on the ground floor, who they covered others followed.

their decline in influences is down to a number of factors, rise of internet, fragmentation of audiences, less need for reviews when you can listen yourself, free internet music writing. their model didnt work anymore, doesnt say anything about their influence when it did work.

i’d turn it around. although there are lots of thriving niche genres and lots of acts with mainstream success, there haven’t been any of these big ‘movements’ where bland indie music has captured the publics imagination since the decline of the NME either

I feel like i’m taking crazy pills

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