Remember when Pete claimed to have written Dreaming Of You and sold it to The Coral.

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My main experience with them was at Glastonbury 2015 when the Foo Fighters pulled out there was a secret band on the main stage, and the rumours on the day were mainly Taylor Swift as she was in the UK and had a spare date on her calendar for that day or Paul McCartney.

Then the Breakfasts walked out and there was such an air of deflation in the field. I was shocked at how boring they were too

Love a good disappointing Glastonbury secret set. In 2008 my mates were absolutely convinced that the Saturday evening surprise set in the Park would be Radiohead. They went but I didn’t because I was enjoying Hot Chip too much. When I met up with them later it turned out it wasn’t Radiohead, and they gave up after 3 songs because they had absolutely no idea who it was. Found out the next day in the free paper that it was the Last Shadow Puppets.

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Maybe a second poll is needed just for Gary

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I remember at the time hearing the songs all the time, kind of liking them for a bit (though even considering the oversaturated world of indie rock at that time, didn’t really think they were anything special tbh), and then just getting sick of them

In retrospect, weird how such a fairly nothing-y band could generate such insane levels of buzz

Love Up the Bracket, found the 2nd album a bit disappointing, and I’m still unsure if I dreamt the 3rd album or if it really exists. It feels like it shouldn’t. I seem to remember it being a lot better than I expected though. (Bearing in mind the very low bar my expectations set)

They had that ramshackle energy where you don’t really understand how the hell they are making anything remotely coherent at all, that chaotic feeling that it can and will collapse at any moment. Which for a while was quite thrilling, even if I did grow extremely weary of Pete (in particular) and Carl. And Babyshambles are so utterly shit that they cast a bit of a shadow.

A high three probably, although I might stick up the bracket on again later and see if that persuades me either way.

The deaths, the squalour, the awful, awful music. 1. Also fuck the journalists who fuelled and exploited the grim shitshow to sell magazines.

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Absolute load of wank.
If Chas & Dave were two cynical dodgy fuckers playing the role of band of the people and knocking out 9 shit songs for every 1 decent song it’d be like Pete and Not Pete.
Absolutely no chance they’d have got so popular if it weren’t for their mate Conor ā€˜I Killed The NME’ McNicholas being their hype man 24/7.
Pure pish.
I’m really having to bite my tongue here but they really are the absolute fucking worst both as a band and as people.

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I’m a bit horrified that they seem to be getting a pass for terrible behaviour and a singer with (admittedly rumoured but only just) body count becaue they liked them at the time.

Oh, and Pete offered to beat up a friend of mine. Yelled at her to go out to the car park where he’d kick her head in because she gave him a bad review.

In.
The.
Bin.

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Yeah, it’s why it feels so weird that it was so recent. Imagine telling a teenager today that a band became massive because a niche magazine said they were really good and published articles about them every week.

saw the at Leeds festival, small tent, early afternoon. 2002 Ive just checked which is kind of pre-hype…?

seemed very tight band, had a good energy on stage.

baffling how popular they briefly became.

Impossible to judge them in a vacuum given the circus around them, and can’t pretend that wasn’t part of what made them compelling when I was 13. Totally bought into the nonsense the NME were writing about them at the time.

Can’t imagine anything more depressing than seeing them post-reunion, and in terms of ā€˜legacy’ they’re arguably the worst band on here, but I don’t think the hype machine was entirely unwarranted - they had genuine charm and charisma, Pete was a good frontman with a great voice, and they were a million miles better than all the other bands in the same scene.

Bet I would’ve bloody loved seeing them in 02/03 if I was a few years older. I saw Babyshambles at the Blank Canvas (RIP) in 2004(?) and it’s embarrassing in hindsight how much of a big deal it seemed seeing Pete on stage. Bloody loved it, even though they were clearly off their faces, probably quite terrible, so late on stage you assumed it was gonna be cancelled.

Had a (mostly media fabricated) aura about it that I can’t say I’ve experienced with anything else - Arctic Monkeys aside maybe, they were probably the last band that the NME successfully managed that with? Much as they’ve tried hard with the Vaccines or whatever else since.

Up The Bracket still stands up as a decent British indie album, if not a classic. Was embarrassingly excited for the self-titled but even at 13, much as I tried to tell myself otherwise, knew it wasn’t up to much.

For Lovers, The Man Who Came To Stay, most of Up The Bracket and the early demo stuff - decent imo.

Goes without saying that Pete was/is an awful person, if that needs adding.

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Remember that time Pete Doherty injected heroin into an unconscious woman?

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Just FYI because there’s a lot of misinformation about him around;

ā€œPurple Akiā€ is a racist name, one that he’s asked multiple times to not be referred to as. He’s also never been successfully convicted of any sexual assault against anybody of any age. He’s successfully overturned past convictions and made complaints of racist treatment by the police which have been upheld and he’s been compensated for.

I know somebody who has been involved in his cases, who’s take on him is that he’s a nurodivergent person who has been unfairly criminalised because he’s a large black man who acts strangely and has been so widely reported to be dangerous that people are terrified of him.

Discussion of him nearly always involves unfounded speculation of criminality and racist tropes, whether intentional or not, so best just to not talk about him.

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i was a huge fan at the time but can’t remember the last time i listened to them. went off them a bit and the whole drama around them was very tedious. never listened to the third album.

i imagine some of their material would hold up alright and some really really wouldn’t

gonna give them a generous 3 for nostalgia’s sake

That’s all reasonable and probably best to park the conversation about this. Can’t even find anything about him working for Pete Doherty.

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… nope :flushed:

There seems to be so much stuff that is not reported about him, his friend dying suspiciously (as addressed upthread) was something I’d only found out fairly recently and I had a Doherty phase as a younger person

Oh aye that was a big news story iirc.
Think there’s photos and even a video.
Super dodgy super creepy fuckers. I’m sure I’ve heard some chat about him being inappropriate with the teenage fans.
I’m not gonna post the injecting the woman stuff here but a quick Google will give you the info/evidence.

WTF What a Waster isn’t on Up the Bracket on Sporify. Was that part of a deluxe edition or something? Very disappointing.

It’s still a decent listen, although it has lost some of its magic. Given that’s the best they managed I think a 3 is reasonable.

early single, wasn’t on the original tracklisting but probably included on a deluxe edition if such a thing exists

someone on here definitely had a story about being at a the same party as him (Doherty) and him being a very creepy

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