🎵 How Good Are They Really 🎵 The National

Put a little something in your lemonade, it’s the National thread!

Robyn goes just under the 4 mark

Artist Rating
Aretha Franklin 4.64
Nina Simone 4.57
Neil Young 4.48
Miles Davis 4.42
Talking Heads 4.39
R.E.M. 4.38
Beastie Boys 4.36
Otis Redding 4.34
The Velvet Underground 4.33
David Bowie 4.31
The Beatles 4.31
Pixies 4.30
Leonard Cohen 4.30
The Cure 4.28
Björk 4.27
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 4.22
Marvin Gaye 4.21
Aphex Twin 4.18
PJ Harvey 4.17
Stevie Wonder 4.17
Nirvana 4.15
Joy Division 4.15
Radiohead 4.13
The Supremes 4.13
Pavement 4.12
Prince 4.11
Wu-Tang Clan 4.11
Nick Drake 4.10
Elliott Smith 4.09
Pulp 4.08
Public Enemy 4.08
Sonic Youth 4.08
Sleater-Kinney 4.08
Kate Bush 4.07
OutKast 4.07
Portishead 4.03
Super Furry Animals 4.03
Black Sabbath 4.03
MF DOOM 4.01
Bob Dylan 3.97
Kendrick Lamar 3.97
Low 3.96
Robyn 3.96
The Beach Boys 3.93
Jimi Hendrix 3.93
LCD Soundsystem 3.92
Joni Mitchell 3.89
Massive Attack 3.89
Bruce Springsteen 3.84
The Clash 3.77
Pet Shop Boys 3.76
Blondie 3.73
Bright Eyes 3.71
Rage Against The Machine 3.71
The Ramones 3.67
ABBA 3.66
Kanye West 3.65
Arcade Fire 3.64
Blur 3.61
The Smiths 3.57
Beyoncé 3.54
Yeah Yeah Yeahs 3.54
Carly Rae Jepsen 3.51
The Chemical Brothers 3.49
Bob Marley & The Wailers 3.48
Jeff Buckley 3.47
Idlewild 3.42
Madonna 3.40
Manic Street Preachers 3.39
Fleetwood Mac 3.39
The Notorious B.I.G. 3.37
Toots & The Maytals 3.35
The White Stripes 3.34
Supergrass 3.32
Hole 3.31
The Smashing Pumpkins 3.30
Suede 3.30
Elton John 3.28
The Pogues 3.28
Kylie Minogue 3.27
The Specials 3.26
Sugababes 3.22
Thin Lizzy 3.22
Rihanna 3.19
The Prodigy 3.18
Led Zeppelin 3.16
Ash 3.16
Pink Floyd 3.15
Taylor Swift 3.14
Jay-Z 3.14
Arctic Monkeys 3.14
Interpol 3.12
TLC 3.12
Los Campesinos! 3.10
The Rolling Stones 3.09
Destiny’s Child 3.05
Primal Scream 3.04
The Strokes 3.03
Elvis Presley 3.02
Weezer 2.97
Amy Winehouse 2.95
Girls Aloud 2.93
Frank Sinatra 2.92
2Pac 2.91
Lizzo 2.86
Belle And Sebastian 2.85
Britney Spears 2.85
Metallica 2.81
Green Day 2.81
Madness 2.80
The Jam 2.75
Basement Jaxx 2.75
Oasis 2.71
Whitney Houston 2.69
Slayer 2.65
The Sex Pistols 2.63
Lady Gaga 2.61
Queen 2.60
Billy Joel 2.57
Foo Fighters 2.57
U2 2.55
Biffy Clyro 2.48
Dire Straits 2.43
Bloc Party 2.41
Cher 2.40
Eminem 2.38
Mariah Carey 2.32
The Killers 2.22
The Who 2.22
Blink-182 2.21
Adele 2.05
Kings Of Leon 2.01
Red Hot Chili Peppers 1.90
The Spice Girls 1.81
Stereophonics 1.74

So now, The National…


  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

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  • The National
  • Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers
  • Alligator
  • Boxer
  • High Violet
  • Trouble Will Find Me
  • Sleep Well Beast
  • I Am Easy To Find

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And the singles

  • Slipping Husband
  • Abel
  • Secret Meeting
  • Lit Up
  • Mistaken For Strangers
  • Apartment Story
  • Fake Empire
  • Bloodbuzz Ohio
  • Anyone’s Ghost
  • Terrible Love
  • Wake Up Your Saints
  • Conversation 16
  • Demons
  • Don’t Swallow The Cap
  • Sea Of Love
  • Graceless
  • I Need My Girl
  • The System Only Dreams In Total Darkness
  • Guilty Party
  • Carin At The Liquor Store
  • Day I Die
  • I’ll Still Destroy You
  • You Had Your Soul With You
  • Light Years
  • Hairpin Turns
  • Rylan
  • Hey Rosey

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Going to need some popcorn for this one :smiley:


They were briefly one of my fav bands and I still adore Alligator but dont find myself going back to Boxer or High Violet as much as I thought I would but I loved them at the time. The other albums do little to nothing for me


  1. A band at the top of their game for a long time. Cant get on with the more recent albums

They were bad, great, and then OK. Probably deserve a 4.


Find them pretty dull.

Alligator is alright, boxer i couldnt get into and high violet i couldnt even finish.

2 i think.

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Last album was a bit of a bum note, but the run before that’s probably never been matched.

There will be lots of weird replies from lonely little boys below…


Alligator over Boxer for me and I’m also gonna stand up for Sleep Well Beast which I personally rate more than High Violet and Trouble Will Find Me. 4

Also this is a gem off I am Easy to Find


Alligator/Boxer/High Violet is an excellent run of albums. Before and after does nothing for me though.


Haven’t liked their recent albums but the ones I love are ones I properly, properly love.

All about the drummer for me innit.


I dunno. Never been able to get any sort of enthusiasm for them but equally I don’t hate them enough to downvote them.

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Might I suggest a 3 then?

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A tough one for me. Some of the albums I absolutely adore, some are a bit weaker. I flip between Alligator or Boxer being my favourite, but every time I listen to one of the others, I enjoy it more and more.

Plus a couple of the times I’ve seen them they’ve been absolutely perfect, other times they’ve just not hit the mark.

Despite that, they’re probably still one of my favourite bands.

Think I’m going to have to go 5.

Used to be good and now they are boring. I’ll round up to a 4 because that 3 album run is really very good (quite like sad songs too tbh)

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2 good albums (Sad Songs… and Alligator), diminishing returns ever since.

The Pitchfork Oasis



3 for me they lost it a bit when their original keyboard/multi instrumental guy buggered off after high violet in 2010ish.

I’ll always listen to a new album and I have seen them a lot but, since maybe 2014 or 2015 everytime I have seen them it has just felt the same gig. Actually didn’t see them when they toured I Am Easy To Find.

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5 for me. High Violet is a genuinely perfect album in my eyes, top-10 of the 2010s level. Alligator and Boxer are not far behind, the former top-20 of the 2000s and the latter at least top-50.

None of the most recent three quite reach those heights but they are all very enjoyable and all have some amazing stuff on them. A best-of cherry-picked from those 3 albums would wipe the floor with a lot of 2010s indie I reckon.

Seen them a stupid amount of times live and they’ve never disappointed. Porto in 2014 has some of my most vivid gig-going memories.