Yeah, this is a fair point

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A little bit, but Nirvana have an ep, 2 full studio albums and the MTV unplugged live album.

It’s a considerably greater body of work.

There are bands such as Texas is the Reason who have had impacts on scenes and genres off the back of one album and may be an ep. But not such a wide ranging effect on the broader culture (for good or bad).

All I’m really arguing is to be wary of painting all of that under one brush when there’s a lot more complexities to it than meets the eye. Some of what you say is absolutely true but there’s way more to it than that

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They’re ok. Buzzcocks and Adverts are much better

Fond memories of being a grumpy 20 year old and locking myself in my bedroom on Diamond Jubilee weekend and playing God Save The Queen on repeat because I was so annoyed by all the bootlicking and associated nonsense

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Yeah, that’s fair. I’m prone to very sweeping generalisations about things I don’t like and then get defensive when the same is applied to things I do like. Kind of an inevitable byproduct of “why would I take the time to investigate the complexities of a thing I don’t like” though innit.

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I know, but the two moments mirrored each other massively both in a very short space of time.

I guess Spiderland by Slint is a small scale example

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As a mutual wrestling fan, I hear you.

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From the people who went to see them in Manchester and then all started bands as a result, what they always say is that the Sex Pistols broke down the 70s rock star mystique and made them realise that anybody could be in a band regardless of talent, ‘rock stars’ were no longer otherworldly beings and virtuosos, it could just be you and your mates.

If it wasn’t them I’m sure it would have been one of the many other punk bands that had that effect but they happen to be the ones that were booked to play that night and already had that buzz around them. That’s their lasting legacy I think (in the UK at least) more than the music itself, as the bands the audience members went on to form all ended up sounding fairly different. It was just the realisation that they could go for it and they might amount to something too (or if you’re Mark E Smith, thinking “this lot are shite, I could do this better than them”).

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I got the tape and listened 2 or 3 times but not really into it.

Two I can think of: Minor Threat, who along with Bad Brains and Black Flag, and who’s entire discography can fit onto a single CD.

Rites of Spring basically did the same thing for emo.

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Never before had a band been so phenomenally, vitally influential on a music scene and the youth of a nation but had so very, very little musical ability, actual songs or charisma. Utterly fucking genius, utterly fucking awful. I literally can’t decide between a 1 or a 5 so it’s a fair 3 as a compromise.

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2 as a band, 4 for the cultural change and influence.

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That is a brilliant example. Hugely influential on any math rock and post-rock that followed.

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Absolutely this. I don’t rate them massively at all in terms of their musical output, but they were a lightning rod for so much of the ‘punk explosion’ (which is in itself kind of a bullshit concept anyway, but whatevs). UK punk absolutely would not have existed in the form it did if it were not for the Sex Pistols. Saying that ‘selling out’ is their only legacy is beyond ridiculous

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Alright, well all my theorizing about punk over these threads has led me here realistically I guess, so here we go.

This is an incredibly difficult band to analyse because there are both underrated and overrated simultaneously, but then they’re also bigger than just being a band, they represent a cultural zeitgeist and movement that massively shifted pop music, fashion and youth culture, all while being manufactured and in classic Brits at it again claimed to invent something that had existed in America already for almost a decade already.

Almost every other band around that scene were “better” than them, but none of them had the same crossover cultural reach. Glen Matlock is a really good songwriter and Rotten has bags of charisma even if this influenced a whole lineage of bellends. They sang songs that were considered revolutionary at the time but has aged badly and is a bit silly now, but still briefly provided a challenge to British status quo which hadn’t really happened before or since.

Without them, Punk wouldn’t have reached and continues to reach people to this day, even if there’s so many better examples out there of the style and they also represent the very worst aspects of punk culture.

If you haven’t gathered yet, they are a puzzle wrapped in an enigma, could reasonably be a 1 or 5, meaning they are worth 3 stars out of 5.

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Yeah, all good examples of influence on scenes and genres, and it’s much more common that one album will do that for that kind of narrow sunset of culture / society.

Yeah I’m someone who’s not massively into punk but loves post-punk, and obviously the former was the catalyst required for the latter to exist.

And then I’d argue that much of ‘indie rock’ as we know it grew outwards from post-punk so that effect has rippled down through the decades

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Black Flag kicked it off, the main thing Minor Threat are responsible for is Straight Edge

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Absolutely this, the first Talking Heads for example. Think it gets forgotten too easily just how much music 70s punk touches

X Ray Spex only had one album, their impact was huge

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