#101

I liked the downward spiral at the time, donā€™t really hear it, machina for me is all about the weird lush guitar textures, havenā€™t listened to the downward spiral for a long time but donā€™t remember any of that. Maybe the main riff to heavy metal machine has a bit of a NIN stomp to it but then the song opens up into something else entirely

#102
  • NIN
  • Spumpkins

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#103

Gonna listen to the downward spiral on my lunch break and give my verdictā€¦

#104

They played a ton of Zeitgeist at that!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-smashing-pumpkins/2007/little-johns-farm-reading-england-13d61105.html

#105

Something tells me youā€™re not going to like it.

#106

Itā€™s alright so far, sounds a lot more dated than any pumpkins, just a bit too much though even the quiet bits seem too loud, Reznor just has the one setting

#107

Just got to the good bit in March of the pigs

#108

Closer is a bad song isnā€™t it

#109

Really not sure how you can accuse the guy who did stuff as sonically varied as La Mer and March of the Pigs and all of Ghosts and Wish of having one setting. His voice is limited, sure, but his production skills arenā€™t.

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#110

Cannot believe youā€™ve done this.

#111

Poor manā€™s Zwan

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#112

Last record is terrible, should be ashamed they put it out. However, does not take away from the fact that they released three of the greatest records of the 90ā€™s in Gish, Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie. Some unbelieveable slow heartbreak songs. Pisces Iscariot is a 100/100. Those first three records still extremely listenable, throw them on consistently. Love the fuzzy, psychedelic, shoegazey type tunes the most ala this bad boy

Pumpkins get a 4/5 from me.

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#113

Iā€™ve been on DiS in one incarnation or another since 2006 and ā€˜The Smashing Pumpkins post 2000 output is enormously exciting and interestingā€™ opinion in all its forms is probably the most baffling opinion Iā€™ve come across in all those fourteen years.

Second place would be ā€˜You can/should put peanut butter on cheese on toastā€™.

I simply donā€™t get it (and I know that music is subjective, I really do).

Billyā€™s voice is annoying. Billy is annoying. When his music is AMAZING (all of Siamese Dream, 2/3 of MCATIS) then itā€™s worth ignoring these facts but when it isnā€™t then oh boy are they a chore to listen to.

Soma is their best song (both to listen to and to play on the guitar).

2.5/5

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#114

Thatā€™s the thing he is very varied but it all somehow comes across like this brick wall of intensity, whether itā€™s abrasive processed guitar or really delicate piano, all ends up the same, fatiguing

#115

Genuinely not trying to be an arse but Reznorā€™s production sounding fatiguing to you yet Machina sounding fine is freaking my nut.

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#116

Loved them. Still listen to SD - Machina 2 fairly regularly. For those albums iā€™d give a 5 (i know some of it is patchy but whatever)

After that, 1. Awful band. Billyā€™s voice changed and it became unlisteanable, even for somome who classed himself as a superfan until the initial split. Had they left things after the Machina albums, and Billy had gone away, their legacy would be much more highly thought of

Excuse the ramblings

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#117

Never seen this opinion expressed much, tafh is a bit more forgiving of that era than me but Iā€™ve never seen much discussion along these lines, seems a bit straw manny, unless machina itself counts as post 2000 with its feb 2000

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#118

Trent ā€œthe fragileā€ Reznor, being noted of course for his pared down brevity.

(I do adore the fragile though, in all its sprawling indulgent glory)

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#119

You cannot reason with the Tā€™s when it comes to the Smashing Pumpkins!!

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#120

Always feels like Reznor is shouting at me, thereā€™s loads of calm moments on machina despite its density