1. Always thought Morrissey was an arse and never liked the music.
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Good but I can’t really settle on a score for them because Morrissey’s such a piece of shit. Maybe I’ll be more able to appreciate them again when he dies.

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Sorry that just sounds like landfill indie to me without the vocals behind it, what is the guitar doing? Very stodgy and messy with the bass as well imo, no room to breathe

Should probably give them an extra point because for the most part everything sounded like shit in the 80s from a production and space standpoint

I do agree with you about the vocals/lyrics being the best bit btw. I’m a lyrics man really and they are what set them completely apart. This is one of my favourite Smiths songs, and shows all at once a) what a selfish, pompous arsehole he always was and b) what a way with a turn of phrase he had. It’s the last song on the last album, around the time they were disintegrating and Marr was off collaborating with other artists…

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Never been the biggest fan. I like them, but I probably haven’t gone out if my way to listen to them in over 6yrs. Highly influencial group. But Morrissey is a cunner so dunno where to go with this one.

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I’ve never liked them. Quite like some of Johnny Marr’s jangles and loved him in modest mouse. Always thought Morrissey was a complete test but was fairly surprised by his gradual unveiling. Mate who didn’t know me particularly well got me his autobiography, thought I’d give it a go for a laugh but it was trying far too hard to be taken seriously and consequently i gave up a few pages in.

Before any wiseass chimes in here, yes I do know that 90% of his lyrics were plagiarised.

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Don’t really miss listening to them

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4/5 (for the music alone)

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Genuinely looking forward to this @bornin69x essay…

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Great singles band, albums are mostly boring. 3/5

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Wildly overrated. I think they’re fine. Can’t imagine choosing to put on one of their albums in order to enjoy it. 3/5

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Ignoring the Morrissey issue (for now, I certainly don’t ignore it generally) a straightforward 5 for me. The most important band of my teens and a genuinely brilliant, revelatory band on any terms. They probably sound less exciting to people who have only heard them retrospectively precisely because almost every indie guitar band that has followed has been massively influenced by them - their sound has become the default sound of ‘indie guitar music’ but that very much wasn’t the case at the time they emerged. There obviously were precursor bands (a lot of the Postcard bands, for instance) but ‘indie’ didn’t really exist as a genre (as opposed to a simple description of a means of distribution) when The Smiths started.

For me they were, for a short glorious period, almost a perfect band - clever, funny, moving lyrics, thrilling, catchy but deceptively complex music. They looked like a gang and had a swaggering, outsider chic to them. Everyone at my school hated them with a passion that it is hard to convey. Every time they appeared on Top of the Pops it sparked off a wave of mockery and derision that made me love them even more.

The quality of their songwriting in their first 18 months - 2 years of making records is just unsurpassed. Just remember that during that period they were putting songs like How Soon is Now? and Please, Please, Please on the B-Sides of singles because amazing songs were just pouring out of them.

In some ways their imperfections make them even greater - they never quite made a perfect studio album (the first record is appallingly produced and by the time of the later ones the songwriting has slipped slightly into formula at times). If you doubt them though just listen to Hatful of Hollow - basically the first 16 songs they wrote, recorded fast and dirty and 100% perfect from start to finish.

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Have you heard the Troy Tate version?

No album has a bigger disparity between the good stuff and the filler than The Queen Is Dead.

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Not Smiths related, but Funky can you please add a .00 after the Weezer score, it is disturbing me every time I scroll through the league table.

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Morrissey was like a different person back then so, for me, I can disassociate the group from the enormobell he’s become. As such, fucking great band. The songs, the lyrics, the image… super influential and a big part of British pop/rock history. Also, re. the music, I absolutely love Marr’s guitar sound ang think it’s integral to the band’s greatness. 5

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Of course. It’s much better of course but I do have some sympathy with the Geoff Travis opinion that it ‘sounds like a demo’. One version of the story is that John Porter was just told to tidy it up a bit rather than completely re-recording it as he did. Whatever he did completely ruined it.

It’s always been a extraordinary cock-up when you consider how great the Peel sessions on Hatful sound - you literally just had to set up the mics and let them record to get a great album out of them but Rough Trade contrived time mess it up.

I think their peak as a studio band is the first two thirds of Meat is Murder - great songs, brilliantly played and produced. Shame about the second half of the second side.

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