In addition to my individual over/unders for each act, I’m thinking about introducing the official “Line of Respectability” (only if @anon19035908 approves, of course), which will try to monitor where the community feels an acceptable score for a decent act starts.

So it wouldn’t encompass every act that I personally think is good (my current personal underachiever is the Strokes at 3.03), and not every act above it would necessarily be good. Instead it would indicate the point at which an act reaches the threshold where they are surrounded by enough high-quality acts with similar scores that I think “hey, they haven’t done so bad”

At the moment I reckon it would be 3.6, as that’s where a lot of really good artists start to congregate. Presumably this may change over time, and I’d be happy to take suggestions and hear people’s ideas about who’s on the wrong side of the line.

The Over/Under for Toots is going to take some time as (a) I’ve only heard one album myself and (b) it’s been a fairly unique response from the readership

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Yeah - not my experience in the slightest tbh. Dub and reggae are inseparable. Can’t have one without the other.

Also find the deification of Lee Scratch Perry a bit problematic for reasons I won’t clog up this thread with (not saying he isn’t a genius, btw - he absolutely is)

Think someone needs to do some weighting of scores taking into account number of voters before a line of respectability can be implemented.

This is a valid point and whilst I personally am not a fan of the “what if long range goals counted double?” table some undeniably are. Maybe we could see how results differ between the two like the end of year album lists

Actual score = average * number of voters should do it :wink:

Think it matters more for something like this, as for some acts that people are largely/completely unfamiliar with, they won’t have voted for them as a result. Those who vote will more often than not be fans who like them a lot.

Whereas EVERYONE will have heard a single or four of Beyoncé or Blur, say, and will therefore vote.

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It’s obviously quite a bit of work to go back and do now, but I was thinking the other day it would be quite interesting to see number of votes alongside each score.

What I’m not doing here is criticising reggae music by the way. I came to love a lot of it (though indeed, still prefer deeper dub music to fun reggae pop tunes) but I definitely grew up with this stigma attached to reggae pop (but again not say, King Tubby, Augustus Pablo etc).

Similarly felt any kind of prog rock was super lame when I was growing up (for Clarkson and classic rock fans with Dark Side of the Moon posters who thought music ended with Guns n Roses) but now love a lot of it.

My relationship with reggae is a long one, but never a particularly knowledgeable one. Early 90s saw the UK charts have a bit of a love-affair with modern stuff. You can mock it all you like, but Chaka Demus & Pliers, Aswad, Inner Circle, Shabba Ranks, Pato Banton, etc. were huge at the time and a big part of the clubs I was attending as a teen. Couple that with a weekly show on Radio 1 (which I thought was hosted by someone called The Manezeek, but can find no reference to him anywhere), and I loved it.

A neighbour, who hailed from Montserrat, found out about this and every week he would trawl the local bootfairs and return with whatever records he could find and bring them over for me to listen to. It got to a point where this, as good-willed as it was, got a little annoying and I had to pretend I’d moved on to stifle his enthusiasm. Of course, this actually happened over time as I tried to form a musical identity as you do as a youth.

Now I’m older, I revisit reggae from time to time, but never to the extent that it is ever what I regularly reach for.

I don’t think Toots ever really hit my radar during my reggae days, but having listened for most of the morning, I reckon I’m willing to drop a 4 in the poll. And, of course I know Pressure Drop. How could I forget?

Absolutely- not taking your posts as criticism of reggae at all - just interested in the different perceptions.

Sorry if the Scratch comment sounded like I was having a go - wasn’t at all - just find the way he is marketed and perceived by non specialist press is a bit off. Have issues with this but not you at all

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I’d be interested to here about this (he’s not someone I know much about beyond the fact he still seems to be touring and is something to do with dub reggae, which I know very little about)

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kind of a renegade, insane genius who smokes too much weed?

Yeah, not trying to be smarmy here at all. If anything, I’m saying these are preconceptions I had as a teenager which turned out (by and large) to be wrong.

And what you’re saying with Scratch is probably right. The non-specialist publications I was informed by were probably deifying him but unfairly dismissing a lot of other artists, which is why I thought he was cool.

Wasn’t Pressure Drop in one of the GTA games? (San Andreas maybe?)

You’ve all heard it lads

@littlebirds ?

As long as I don’t have to do any work, you knock yourself out :grinning:

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He’s primarily a extremely talented studio engineer and producer, although he also performs as an artist in his own right. He was indeed also one of the earliest pioneers of dub reggae, alongside King Tubby. The amount of amazing music he is directly responsible for is genuinely bewildering. He was enormously prolific in his mid 60s – late 70s prime, producing hundreds of singles and albums, with the vast majority being good to great, and a decent proportion being all time genre defining classics.

It is fair to say that he has always been highly eccentric (he commonly used to blow weed smoke into his recording consoles and drip his blood onto his tapes when recording for example), but think it’s also fair to say that for large periods of his life he suffered with mental health issues. In the early 1970s he built the Black Ark studio in his back garden, and such was the quality of the music he produced there, it became the most famous studio in Jamaica, with even non reggae bands like the Clash and Wings recording there. At the height of his popularity in 1979, he burnt the studio to the ground, convinced that it was inhabited by unclean spirits. In 1983, some Dutch mega fans helped him painstaking re-construct the studio from the ground up. Two days after they’d finished construction, he burnt that one down as well.

As I’m sure you can imagine, a lot of the focus of the non-specialist press marketing is his mental state ( ‘insane genius’, like @thewarn says) which I find suspect for a few reasons, but mainly because this seems to be the hook that people use to sell him to the non-reggae audience, rather than his amazing music. Also, some of it goes further and suggests that it’s almost an accident his music is so good – like he is possessed by ‘madness’ when he records – rather than being an extremely gifted musician. Obviously there is the wider issue of using someone’s poor mental health to market them also, but this is not something unique to Perry. Finally, like @littlebirds says, he tends to get sold as the be all and end all of reggae (again, probably because he has these additional ‘selling’ points) which ends up meaning that loads of other equally amazing Jamaican music gets ignored.

Again, none of this is a criticism of Perry at all – he is amazing, and think it’s always good when an album like Heart of the Congos gets some publicity, however this comes about. It also seems that Perry himself is happier and healthier these days, and he is still recording and playing live.

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It was The Man Ezeke. Sunday afternoons I think?

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Thank you! Internet searches suggest Sunday afternoon and Wednesday evenings at 9pm (which aligns with my memories). It was a great show.

Thanks! Great post