#377

How do you objectively review an album?

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#378

Great comparison. I think Be Here Now and Phantom Menace were the first album and film respectively that I actively looked forward to, only to be disappointed by. You’re so enthusiastic about the stuff you like in your teens that it takes a while to click that you didn’t actually like something: “This is a star wars film, why am I bored? that doesn’t make sense”

#379

yeah, that’s the narrative but I reckon by that point the media were getting scared of giving bad reviews to big indie bands for fear of upsetting fans of those bands. OTT reviews of disappointing follow ups to massive selling albums weren’t exclusive to Oasis. Tends to get forgotten that ‘The Great Escape’ by Blur and ‘Head Music’ by Suede also got the best reviews of both bands careers (both seen as being near nadir’s of both bands careers now)

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#380

Good point! Haha

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#381

You can’t. You can, however, not hold it to account for years of subpar imitations.

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#382

Was 16 going on 17 when it came out and remember it being really popular at school, but wasn’t and never has been for me at all. I was too into The Cure, The Smiths, R.E.M. etc.

To give Oasis some credit, one thing I recall reading somewhere ages ago about them that I thought was a really spot-on compliment is that a lot of their songs have colossal momentum whilst being played at a pretty pedestrian tempo.

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#383

Well, Spike Island was in May 1990 and ‘One Love’ came out in July 1990 and i think the legal stuff started in September.

#384

They did, on the first couple of records. Then Noel sacked the rhythm section and replaced ‘driving’ with ‘plodding’. Just compare Columbia to Force of Nature (from Heathen Chemistry)

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#385

Ugh

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#386

Here’s a helpful, non-exhaustive list of irrelevant talking points in reviewing this album:

Liam and Noel acting like utter morons, the NME, Blur and why you think they’re better, football hooligans, Post-Britpop awfulness, monobrows, (What’s the Story) Morning Glory?, parka-monkeys, being funny in interviews, omnipresence and why your brain can’t handle it, Kasabian, Noelrock, lad culture, gateway music, saying “mad fer it”, subpar live performances, bucket hatted bellends, The Libertines, why wishing people died from AIDS is naughty, Manchester City, proper haircuts, taking drugs and being rock stars, Wonderwall, harbouring secret hate for the band because people you dislike like the band, calling your brother a potato, Andy Bell, the north vs the south, nostalgia, you not getting tickets for Knebworth, why Knebworth was actually shit, slowly walking down the hall faster than a cannonball…

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#387

Exactly… grey and plodding. It’s strange that that seemed to be a deliberate stylistic choice Noel took at some point - to strip any swagger and swing out of the music entirely.

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#388

Get Liam on vox for that song, ramp up the speed by about 25% and its salvageable.

#389

People are just writing about their experiences, positive and negative. They had an enormous impact on culture and music, which is quite unlike anything I’ve seen with other bands or artists in my lifetime. So of course it’s going to come up.

Also others will think they’re not responsible for years of subpar imitations :man_shrugging:

#390

Me too :slight_smile:

#391

Really wonder if the backlash to Be Here Now knocked the swagger out of him for a good while. ‘… Giants’ is a real downer for the most part, and then on the subsequent records songwriting was shared out.

#392

I’m not a good person to judge as I was never a Stone Roses fan (was just in my first proper phase of music discovery when it came out and very much into American indie rock) but despite that I always thought of it as a far better record than DM. But maybe it’s just different, I can see how DM is catchy and full of a swagger that appeals to a lot of people. Not that Stone Roses isn’t full of swagger, Oasis just really amped that up to verging on parody levels.

#393

Too young to be around when it was massive.
Some good songs, not something that’s ever been a part of my life, really hate cigarettes and alcohol.
4 I guess?

#394

Yeah it was proclaimed a masterpiece wasn’t it. Think that line was stuck with in aoty lists too.

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#395

Oh it is better, no question. Just not by as much as the subsequent critical consensus would have you believe. It’s an 8 or 9/6 or 7 comparison not a 10/5.

As I said in a post higher up the big thing The Stone Roses have over Oasis is that they were much more musically sophisticated (just through having much better musicians). If you look at the lyrics and the vocals there is not much to chose between them.

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#396

Hang on, vocally Liam Gallagher is worth 1,000 Ian Browns.

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