#101

Hi Bam!

I would recommend CM Punk vs John Cena from Money in the Bank 2011 as it tells a really excellent story which is fairly easy to follow, the atmosphere from the Chicago, CM Punk backing, crowd is amazing, and its a really good wrestling match. Probably the best combinaton of things to work with.

The best match of all time in WWF/E however is Bret Hart vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, I’m just not sure I’d start with it?

What do others think?

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#102

Are either of these on youtube etc do you think?

#103

dailymotion, yes.

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#104

the ones sevvy recommended are great, but here’s a good one on youtube

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#105

ooh this one is a great shout because it’s only like 12 minutes but the speed these two go at is incredible, also tells a pretty simple, great story.

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#106

try the Royal Rumble 2001 match

The roster is superb, got some good surprises and little moments in it

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#107

Tables ladders and chairs 2 at wrestlemania. Less of a wrestling match than a stunt show, there are some spectacular moments in that one

#108

for clarity @Bamnan, that’s this:

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#109

Watching this now.

Eddie guerrero seems fun

Submission moves are so stupid though, do they just do that to get a pause and regain their energy?

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#110

that’s part of it yeah. also used to build tension, if done properly you’ll never see a crowd more excited than when somebody is on the verge of tapping out

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#111

Looks fake and childish to me, the somersaults and jumping off ropes stuff is very cool though

#112

Some submission moves look really stupid, others really get across the idea that if someone doesn’t “tap out” then they’re gonna lose the use of a limb or be at risk of passing out; quite a few are based in actual Mixed-Martial Arts holds. The weaker ones tend to be known as “rest holds” because they’re mostly designed to give the wrestlers a chance to catch their breath and agree on what they’re going to do next.

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#113

this one he was just sort of standing there holding his arm in the air, I mean technical stuff like that just seems harder to suspend your disbelief to me, over the top suplexes and dropkicks etc have some flair to them, who wants to see somebody pretend to be in a difficult grapple for ages?

#114

dunno what else they could do to slow the pace down though, maybe they should give the wrestlers a mic and when one is on the mat rolling around the other one can give a big dramatic speech or something

#115

I wonder how the refs learn when to just miss a 3 count

#116

They dont, they just watch the wrestler. If a wrestler if supposed to kick out at 2 but doesnt, the referee still counts

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#117

you could see the guy slowing down his arm on the 3rd count on the guerrrero match I’m watching, I guess the big points are pre planned

#118

also if they’re not looking at the ref there must be an agreed tempo so they can time the kick out surely

#119

The referee and wrestlers all talk to each other during a match. Generally the referee is actually in charge of the timing so will tell the wrestlers when the end needs to come, so yes, they’ll be aware that a particular pin isn’t supposed to be the finish.

However, as TKC says, if the wrestler doesn’t kick out, they’re still expected to count to 3 and end the match early (except in cases where a crooked ref is part of the script).

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#120

yeah the refs have to have a consistent speed to their counts