#54

Genuinely think Fraiser was a smarter, more subtle take on the typical 90s American sitcom than the other usual suspects. And the presence of a straight man in Martin makes it more bearable than Friends ā€“ in both, the lead characters are awful, but youā€™re meant to unquestionably root for the moronic Friends, while Martin constantly points out what obnoxious, pretentious arseholes Frasier and Niles are. The writers are great at farce and thereā€™s a fair few examples of it building up to proper giggle fits. Itā€™s also just a slightly more interesting dynamic than your typical 2.4 children family or sexy young group of friends.

Whenever Iā€™ve caught it on breakfast TV itā€™s held up very well too. Parts of it do veer into typical 90s sitcoms fluff but itā€™s still worth a strong 4/5. The best of those sitcoms bar Seinfeld?

Think I was too young for Cheers. Bored the pants off me as a kid and never went back to it. Havenā€™t heard enough positive things in terms of how itā€™s held up to give it a watch.

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#55

@AQOS, I hope Will and Grace is on the list somewhere. I think that would be a really interesting one to reassess in its LGBT portrayals in a modern light

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#56

Oh god :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

#57

Frasierā€™s rubbish. Not having it

#58

youā€™re rubbish

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#59

Probably my ultimate comfort viewing, if I happen upon any episode from any era when channel hopping I will watch it in its entirety. It has peaks and troughs but there are so many stone cold classic episodes (the Groovy Lady episode, the one where Frasier tries to set up the station manager with Daphne, the one where Niles dresses as Jesus, any set at the SeeBees) and wonderful lines (I use ā€œfiery Mexican Clivesā€ much more often than I can really justify) that I canā€™t give it any less than 5.

Never seen enough of Cheers to judge and if I do see it Iā€™m too distracted by how young Woody Harrelson looks to take it in.

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#60

bit cruel :frowning:

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#61

They are both the pinnacle of US ensemble sitcoms. Cheers took a while to get started and Frasier went off the boil towards the end, but at their peak they were both untouchable.

And if they werenā€™t already good enough, George Wendt (Norm) went on some short lived channel 4 karaoke programme and busted out a House Of Freaks cover.

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#62

Of course itā€™s on YouTube. They really donā€™t make telly like this anymore

God knows how they talked Spike Milligan into this

#63

very fond memories of them both

I used to love watching Cheers on Ch4 at about 6:30 after school. It was by far the best of all the sitcoms shown in that timeslot back then (Blossom, some thing set in a Diner in Phoenix, Family Ties maybe?). It was all Kirsty Alley/ Woody Harrelson era by then though, Iā€™ve not seen many of the older ones

Frasier always seemed really tightly scripted, the farce type episodes were always great. Got shit after Niles and Daphne got together, hardly a hot take though

4/5 for both of them

#64

U fucking what? 4 real?

#65

5/5 the chemistry between niles and frasier is unparalleled as far as im concerned and every second with those 2 on screen together is fantastic

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#66

in college we used to go to johns house on a free period we all had on friday mornings and watch cheers. we used to all go ā€œNORM!ā€ when someone arrived at the pub a bit later than everyone else too. now every time i see woody harrelson in something i think (and often say) woody from cheers has done well for himself. i think him having the same name in cheers as his actual irl name was the start of me liking to pretend that people are playing the same character in everything theyre ever in

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#67

Evaluation Copy is also my favourite minor Frasier character. What a coincidence!

(I scored them like you.)

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#68

Ditto Ted Danson. It is weird seeing Woody Harrelson playing a genial rube in the role that made him famous when heā€™s played the complete opposite in pretty much every film since

#70

I would like to vote 10 for Frasier please.

My favourite show (except for the ones with Daphneā€™s brother in)

Constantly amazes me how Grammar was absolutely off his tits the whole time and would be an absolute wreck until the moment they shouted action.

Itā€™s a shame heā€™s such a douchebag irl.

Isnā€™t he keen to run for president?

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#71

Also I never saw any resemblance between Hyde Pierce and Grammar, until quite recently.

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#72

bump to remind me to close this

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#73

Really enjoyed cheers when i was young and was one of the few comedies i remember me and my siblings laughing along with my folks. Although thinking back we were probably laughing at different things in it.

Frasier is fucking brilliant, yeah definitely drops off after niles and daphne get together but an easy peasy 5 for me up to then.
As many folk have mentioned they do farce so well and the dad just grounds all the pretentious nonsense beautifully.

#74

Yeah, always thought the same then read that David Hyde Pierce was chosen because of how much he looked like Grammar in his first Cheers appearances. Watched them back and right enough:

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